Steve Forte on old TV special

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Postby Brian Rasmussen » 04/29/05 07:38 AM

I remember seeing Steve Forte on a TV magic special sometime back when the World's Greatest Magic shows were being run. Can anybody tell me if he was on one of the WGM specials or was it a different show around the same time period of which I must be thinking? I remember him at a table doing his fantastic deals and cheating demo type stuff. Hopefully, somebody can save me some time digging for it as I'm sure I have it taped in my stack of videos somewhere. Thanks everybody.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 04/29/05 08:08 AM

That was Steve.
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Postby Guest » 04/29/05 08:26 AM

Anyone who'd like to own this gem should go to Amazon. It's on the Lance Burton DVD The Secrets of Magic' which contains three one hour specials. Here's a link for you:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... ance&s=dvd

The Steve Forte demonstration is a blast. he exhibits no discernable tells or get-readies. Just picks up the deck and does the work. The most natural card handler I've seen to date.

Also, there is the only (from memeory) footage of The Blue Room illusion.

For around $11 it's a no brainer. There's even some second-handers for $4. $4!!!! for three hours of solid gold. Holy Moly!
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Postby Brian Rasmussen » 04/29/05 08:29 AM

Thanks you guys! :)
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Postby Dustin Stinett » 04/29/05 12:17 PM

Perhaps folks who want to buy this can use one of the Genii links to Amazon to do so!?!

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Postby Carlo Morpurgo » 06/10/05 02:16 PM

I've watched the Steve Forte demonstration on this DVD. I thin kit's awsome, of course. HOwever, I am not sure that STeve is really doing a genuine center deal...looks like a bottom deal to me...he seems to do some sort of pass before dealing. any comments?

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Postby Cohiba » 06/11/05 07:45 AM

The television show you are referring to (around the time of the WGM series) was called "Hidden Secrets of Magic". It also had Kalin and Ginger doing (I forget the name of the version) a cool sawing in half, and Bill Malone doing his awesome "Cutting the Aces" from a spectator shuffled deck. It was a cool show.
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Postby Carlo Morpurgo » 06/11/05 01:44 PM

Originally posted by Cohiba:
The television show you are referring to (around the time of the WGM series) was called "Hidden Secrets of Magic". It also had Kalin and Ginger doing (I forget the name of the version) a cool sawing in half, and Bill Malone doing his awesome "Cutting the Aces" from a spectator shuffled deck. It was a cool show.
No doubt....but...i was curious to hear opinions
on the "center deal". My take is that this deal was a bottom deal following a pass. But I hope I am wrong...Carlo
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Postby Jason England » 06/16/05 11:28 PM

Carlo,

Without giving anything else away, I can assure you there is no pass in Steve's center deal routine. Also, he deals centers on his tape, so what makes you so sure he didn't deal centers on that special?

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Postby Bill Mullins » 06/17/05 03:07 PM

I am sure that Steve Forte has the skills to deal from the center. However, when I watched it, I had the distinct impression that he lapped the bottom half of the deck and dealt from the bottom.
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Postby Carlo Morpurgo » 06/18/05 11:26 PM

Originally posted by Jason England:
Carlo,

Without giving anything else away, I can assure you there is no pass in Steve's center deal routine. Also, he deals centers on his tape, so what makes you so sure he didn't deal centers on that special?

Jason
I am not sure of anything....in fact I said "I hope I am wrong"...however the moves look pretty much like pass+bottom to me. The two deal moves (tape/show) do not look the same. Also, in the tape routine he prepares the deck in a certain way, with the halves clearly wisible. in the show
the deck simply disappears and the move looks like a pass move. I do not doubt Steve's ability to perform the center deal, but perhaps even for him its safer to do a pass+bottom rather than center (especially in front of an audience).

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Postby pduffie » 06/19/05 03:28 AM

There was no Lapping & no Pass....
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Postby Carlo Morpurgo » 06/19/05 06:10 AM

Originally posted by Peter Duffie:
There was no Lapping & no Pass....
Actually, I can prove to you that there was a pass. If you pause the disc immediatley after
he spreads the cards, you can see that the
6 of clubs appears as the 5th card after the 4 kings. That 6 of clubs will be the "kicker", the extra card that Forte deals to himself.
Assuming there is no other 6 of clubs (and as far as I can tell this is the case),
the only possible explanation is that he hops
the packet after the 4 kings to the top
and that the first card he deals to himself
(normally) is precisely the 6 of clubs. Then he bottom deals. The last move is a fake, as he quickly moves back and forth twice the same 6 from the bottom.....

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Postby Carlo Morpurgo » 06/19/05 06:23 AM

Originally posted by Carlo Morpurgo:
the only possible explanation is that he hops
the packet ...
Carlo [/QB]
this is perhaps not good English...I meant "he flips the lower packet to the top"

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Postby Brian Rasmussen » 06/19/05 12:12 PM

Wow! I didn't expect there to be much discussion on my original post but I see it has branched out a bit. All I know is Steve Forte is amazing in his skill and knowledge. If he dealt a bottom instead of a center it is still an amazing bottom deal. Whatever skill Steve has is one thing, but I know his knowledge is there and if you don't trust that simply get his Casino Game Protection book. My Wife got it for me for my birthday and it has so much to read and digest that I'm going to enjoy it way into the future. :)
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Postby pduffie » 06/19/05 01:49 PM

Carlo -

You saw correct - but there is NO pass or other type of shift of cards!
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Postby Guest » 06/19/05 02:26 PM

Originally posted by Carlo Morpurgo:
Originally posted by Peter Duffie:
[b] There was no Lapping & no Pass....
Actually, I can prove to you that there was a pass. If you pause the disc immediatley after
he spreads the cards, you can see that the
6 of clubs appears as the 5th card after the 4 kings. That 6 of clubs will be the "kicker", the extra card that Forte deals to himself.
Assuming there is no other 6 of clubs (and as far as I can tell this is the case),
the only possible explanation is that he hops
the packet after the 4 kings to the top


Carlo [/b]
Carlo,

Sorry, but this is NOT the only way. There is the way Steve does it.
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Postby Carlo Morpurgo » 06/19/05 02:54 PM

Originally posted by Peter Duffie:
Carlo -

You saw correct - but there is NO pass or other type of shift of cards!
Ok then, all you need to do is to explain how else he can deal himself that 6 of clubs with a genuine center deal. I understand the admiration
we all have for Steve (I am the first in line), but facts are facts. I am not here to diminish
Steve's skills...even with a pass + bottom it looks great! I just like the challenge of understanding the actual mechanism.
That I like to talk about, so it would be nice if you can provide some concrete opinions.

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Postby Carlo Morpurgo » 06/19/05 03:06 PM

Originally posted by Peter Duffie:
Carlo -

You saw correct - but there is NO pass or other type of shift of cards!
Ok then, all you need to do is to explain how else he can deal himself that 6 of clubs with a genuine center deal. I understand the admiration
we all have for Steve (I am the first in line), but facts are facts. I am not here to diminish
Steve's skills...even with a pass + bottom it looks great! I just like the challenge of understanding the actual mechanism.
That I like to talk about, so it would be nice if you can provide some concrete opinions.

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Postby thecardman » 06/20/05 05:50 AM

OK, let's put it this way...

There is NO shift!

I am sorry if that comes across as rude or nasty, but if it is the only way I can put it to you so that you understand, then so be it.

NOBODY on this Forum, other than Mr Forte himself, is at liberty to discuss the method further. It would be unethical for us to discuss the methods of another performer on a forum without his prior permission.

Anyway, he only has to deal the middles for the 4 aces and he can do what he wants for the kicker! Just a thought!

Best wishes

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Postby Carlo Morpurgo » 06/20/05 06:19 AM

Originally posted by thecardman:
OK, let's put it this way...

[b]There is NO bottom deal!


I am sorry if that comes across as rude or nasty, but if it is the only way I can put it to you so that you understand, then so be it.

NOBODY on this Forum, other than Mr Forte himself, is at liberty to discuss the method further. It would be unethical for us to discuss the methods of another performer on a forum without his prior permission.


[/b]
sorry to have hurt your feelings. I did not think that a simple demonstration of false dealing should be such a closely guarded
secret. just wanted to share some thoughts
on a fairly standard technique. i am not talking about the hooker card rise.

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Postby Carlo Morpurgo » 06/21/05 02:03 PM

Ok.....I guess I was only half correct...
Awsome routine....Provided one has his skills to do it right....

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Postby Guest » 06/24/05 08:02 PM

As I was reading this thread.. didn't Steve Forte appear on ABC's " That's Incredible "?

I was a kid back then I just barely remember the show, and remember a performer doing poker deals sitting at a table.

Does anyone know ? :rolleyes:

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Postby Jason England » 06/25/05 07:14 PM

That was Richard Turner, not Forte.

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