Originally posted by Ralph Bonheim:
[b]As was mentioned above, it is best to see how a Mentalist works in person and if possible, with lay-people. I can assure you, my audiences leave a bit mesmerized but laughing (and knowing, in some instances, I was tricking them.)
I congratulate you on leaving your audiences mesmerized and laughing, but in only some instances do they know they were tricked?
Not to resurrect the earlier thread -- which Richard mercifully put to sleep like I had to do with my cat, Hoover -- but as Bill notes, you've got some consistency issues. In your finest moment in the other thread, you asserted that you make very clear for your audiences/clients when they're seeing artful trickery and when they're reaping the unfaked benefits of your genuine psychic gifts. I think that's a fair paraphrase.
But if only "some" viewers of your mentalism act understand that they've been tricked, then you haven't really drawn the clear distinction you boasted of earlier, have you?
In a line of this type I honestly have to wonder if YOU HAVE EVER READ ANYTHING ON THE ART OF MENTALISM AND NOT TAINTED IT WITH MAGICIAN'S THINKING?
In nearly EVERY BOOK I've read on mentalism (and I teethed on Larsen, Corrinda, Nelson & Hull)the objective of the performer is to leave the audience hanging with uncertainty to neither claim nor negate accolades that impose upon you, said prowess.
Yes! I do claim to be a "believer"... how many Christian magicians out here claim to be a "believer"?
Same thing! If you believe in and embrace the bible as "fact" (or any such sacred tome) then you cannon negate the existence of such things without being a hypocrit. This would mean you are an atheist... that is, if you do not believe in or endorse the fact that certain people can (as is stated in nearly all sources of "divine scripture") discern things, see (as in divination) facts pertaining to past & future, etc. This also relates to healing and numerous other phenomena.
Ironically when I point this out to the ardent skeptic they quickly backtrack and deny being an Atheist and maybe (for the sake of "safety" and straddling the fence) claim an Agnostic position (a serious cop-out that gets them out of the "Blind Faith" obligation of most religious teachings and leaves them room to deny and impose their will and ideas into the beliefs of others.)
Now, I will not go into this rue again. I do believe, Nelson testified that he believed, Mark Strivings has made numerous public statements as to how he's been amazed at how accurate esoteric divination systems are WITHOUT ADDING ANY COLD READING, PRIFILES OR TRICKERY (as has Richard Webster, Kenton Knepper and a plethora of others.)
To do the two bit lawyer routine is beneath you Tom... To state at a public level that "I do PSYCHIC Readings" (as JR stated)... hmm, according to the "example" anyone can say this, so long as they don't believe it to be real...
...sorry, but I think you're speaking from the wrong orafice. :eek: (you might want to get that fixed.)
Of course, now I'm the "bad guy" for slinging mud... hmmm... who threw the first punch here? Who is calling who "Laim" and a "fraud"?
Now, let's get off this dead horse and move forward. I believe the topic had to do with Popular & Successful Mentalists... or as some would paint the portrait Successful Con-Artists that manipulate religious, superstition, etc. like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Osoma Ben Laden, George W... ;)