Mentalism publications

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Postby C. Hampton » 08/03/02 08:57 AM

Genii friends,

I was wondering if you guys can tell me if there is any mentalism magazines. I am aware of SYZYGY, but I just checked the web site an it was last updated in 2000. I don't know if Lee Earle still publishes it or not.

Thanks for your help. :p
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Postby Q. Kumber » 08/03/02 09:38 AM

There is Vibrations, the monthly publication of the Psychic Entertainers Association, available only to members.

I have read that Mark Strivings plans tp produce a monthly newsletter/magazine.

Don't miss Barrie Richardson's writings in Genii which are of a very high quality.
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Postby Guest » 08/06/02 07:01 AM

Brother Shadow also has a monthly column in "M.U.M.", there is mental material in "Club 71" every month.
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Postby Guest » 08/06/02 10:28 AM

Don't forget my series @ Visions... :D

Craig Browning\'s Psychic Perspectives
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Postby David Acer » 08/06/02 06:28 PM

It's not a magazine, but if you haven't read it, Banachek's Psychological Subtleties (1998) is inspired.

Also, doesn't (or didn't) Bob Cassidy publish a magazine on mentalism called Quintessence?
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Postby Lior » 08/07/02 12:22 AM

You can buy Magick Vol 4 and read 5 pages every month.
You don't need any magazine ...
Everything is free on the web...
everything
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Postby Guest » 08/07/02 06:17 AM

Originally posted by Lior Manor:
You can buy Magick Vol 4 and read 5 pages every month.
You don't need any magazine ...
Everything is free on the web...
everything
Lior
Well, there is a great deal on the Web "for FREE" but as the saying goes, "you do get what you pay for..."

I'm as guilty as the next guy for sharing lots of "hints" that have helped folks improve their work (especially as a Reader) but if people knew how much I was holding back on... well, that's another story. ;)
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Postby Guest » 08/07/02 07:12 AM

Sorry David but Cassidy's "Quintessence" is long gone. A shame but gone.
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Postby Lior » 08/07/02 11:02 AM

You hold back your important stuff...
but do you share it in the magazine??
I think not.

There is no need for magazines any more.
all the stuff that you find in a magazine can be found on the net and even more...

I am sorry for it but this is how I see it.

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Postby Guest » 08/07/02 08:25 PM

I'd share my good stuff in a limited subscription magazine before I'd share it on the 'net for free in a heartbeat. Subscribing to a magazine (particularly a limited subscription and appropriately priced mentalism mag) shows an investment beyond the casual net-browsing passerby that results in my being more willing to share the real work.
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Postby Lior » 08/08/02 12:54 AM

So why do you share it in a magazine??
there are many more people reading the magazine then the net.

Everything you need is in the books , in your mind
and in your friends mind.
you can read the news, gossip and magic adds on the net.
The best thing: you can say what you think...

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Postby Guest » 08/08/02 05:56 AM

I think you are wrong about that Lior. First of all, far more people cruise the internet than read magic magazines. Secondly, when someone actually pays for something, such as a magazine, they place a higher premium on it as they actually had to pay for it, and as such the knowledge of what they glean from it is worth more to them and they tend to treat it as such.

All one needs to do is search through publications such as old Linking Rings to see a wealth of good information and effects that are NOT on the internet.
There is good material in the magazines even now - I challenge you to find "The table pass" on the internet and I know of only one magazine that has that move published right now.

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Postby Guest » 08/08/02 07:44 PM

Amen, Paul, Amen :o)

Lior, where on earth would you get the idea that more people read magazines than read websites on the internet? Anybody could do a Google search and find one of these sites, but you have to expound a certain amount of effort, knowlege (of where to find them) and money to find a magazine, especially the more exclusive ones like Magick, SYZYGY, and the like.
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Postby Lior » 08/09/02 06:14 AM

Paul and Andy
I like you a lot and most of our opinions are the same ( I wonder way) but...
All we need is in the magazines that we already have, in the lecture notes and the books that we already have, in the video tapes that we have ,
In the knowledge that our friends share with us.

No need for a magic magazine
The money that I spent for Jenii/Magic went for
children in need.
take a Jenni/Magic from 1994 and one from 1998
and they have the same content...and some time
the same cover.
We have too many books that have 5% of real
magic ,all the rest is BS.

but you killed me with the table pass.
I know that something was missing in my life.
Now I can book more shows and charge more money... I know the table pass.

now that we have all this forums on the net
I can predict that most of the magazines will
vanish very fast ...
I am sorry about it ,but this is what is
going on now days...

I have a lot of respect for Mr.. Kaufman for what he did for the magic world, so don't get me wrong.

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Postby Guest » 08/09/02 09:55 AM

O.k. not that I'd open a can of worms or anything like that, but I can see either side of this issue (and even have a few of my own excuses for not buying printed magazines.)

Yes, there is a great deal of available info on the net. I can assure you though, the cautious and wise will not tip as much material on the web as they do print, simply because it is so accessible. I've found far more dreck in magic forums and less usable material, than I've ever found with printed media.

The printed forum however, is slashing it's own throat. Less information and a heck of a lot more advertising. Worse, it is ads for John "the unknown" Magician to peddle his/her over-priced POS variation on someone else's thinking... VERY LITTLE in way of originality and our publishers are ignoring such in exchange for advertising dollars (regardless who or what is sending it in.) A great example... Doug Tilford still gets his ads in even though he and a few others we all know and loathe, are knocking off just about anything you see in Vegas, on Tv, etc and not paying royalties, and all those other wonderful fees due the innovators behind the effects.

In general, my biggest gripe about most magazines (regardless their theme of focus) is that I'm paying $5.00 + for lots of pages filled with ads vs. information/entertainment and thus, it is a waste of my time & money... not getting what I need from said source.

Paul is 100% correct on the whole "vested value" however. I have to agree that the Internet hasn't only encouraged but cultivated a mass consciousness of "What Can I Get For Free" addicts. Admittedly I'm terrible for "giving away" and "tipping" things. I can't help it, I love my craft and I love sharing... the gods have blessed me with knowledge and a novel way of seeing stuff. Nonetheless, I've also found that I need to stop sharing so much, so freely because it's not respected, few ever express any form of appreciation for such data, and "most" start remembering what you shared (a year or two down the road) as being their idea and concept. :rolleyes: (imagine that!)

I loathe the extent to which commercialism and money grabbing has filled this craft. Moreso, I detest how freely people can get information about what we do and how quickly they can do so, thanks to the net. My personal opinion is that this "loosness" will ultimately ruin our trade... fortunately, many (myself included) are starting to hold back and even "withdraw" simply for the sake of preserving what we do and saving "the good stuff" for the serious minded that's willing to make more than a financial investment into themselves and this art.

One last thing... based on what's being said in this thread I have hope that the publishers of the key magazines out there elect to "wake up" so to speak, and lend reprise to the idea of quality publications with solid information being the prime element of content vs. 25 pages of total info adn 55 pages of advertising. Though this may require a price increase to the publication, I'm confident most who are serious about this craft, who KNOW THEY ARE GETTING SOMETHING FOR THE INVESTMENT that's practical and applicable, will pay the difference... I would!
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Postby Lisa Cousins » 08/09/02 01:21 PM

My first objection here is to the presumption that advertising is a distasteful evil. I like the ads in the magazines. I like being updated on what's new. I've ordered many treasured things through magic magazine advertising - things I would not have wanted to miss, and would not have known about otherwise. My experiences with the magic dealers is that they are true magic lovers themselves, and my interactions with them have been uniformly pleasant. Many of the ads are good to look at, quite magical, and I like them even if I don't order the product.

And my second, and perhaps more core objection, is to the idea that the value of magic magazines lies in usable material. To me, these magazines are a meeting place for those of us who love magic. I get to see pictures of my friends, hear of their doings, and read their latest opinions and discoveries. The magic community is a world of living individuals to me, and the magazines are a great way to mingle.

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Postby Lior » 08/09/02 01:44 PM

Hi Lisa
The web is a great way to mingle.
Do you talk to Z&R on the Jenii cover??
Do they answer??
Go to hanklee.com and stevens.com
and you can see more magic adds.

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Postby Guest » 08/09/02 05:05 PM

In defense of Lior,
he is very correct in especially one aspect of what he says and that is that everything you really need is already in older magazines and books. That is very true. Most everything now is a rehash of older material. To quote T.a. Waters, there is enough good material in print right now that no two magicians anywhere in the world need do the same trick anytime or anywhere." He was right. He also used to say that if you were not creative enough to develop your own material, you should look through old magazines and books (at least 40 years old), find something of interest and that had possibilities, update it and you would have a brand new act that nobody else did. Again he was right.

As Lior points out, if you have a set of Tarbell, Jinx, Phoenix, Magick, Apocalypse, maybe a few others, what else do you really need?

Now in defense of the modern magazines (and the occasional book), it is nice to keep up to date with what is happening in the magic scene (not everyone likes to read a computer screen all day long), keep up with the latest tricks being sold as well as some of the newer variations of themse and sleights that are published in many different journals. The same with some book released. granted out of every 10 there may be one book worth reading and out of every 100 maybe only several worth keeping in order to re-read and study regularly BUT they do exist and continue to be published.

For some, especially the younger magicians, suchy books as World's Beyond (about Paul Curry) has introduced one of our most creative minds to a new generation and in fact reintroduced some old ideas to many that had forgotten them over time. This too is a good thing and a service to us all. I go back to my classics (like the ones I previously mentioned) and find new material or old material I had forgotten about and rework them. I also study some of the newer texts on a regular basis such as "Peek Performances" which has enough material to learn and study for a very long time.

Lior makes some very valid points. All through the history of the printing press, we have seen magazines, journals and publications come and go. The good ones will survive I beleive, the dreck will eventually fall to the way side because of the superior competition.

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Postby Ray Haddad » 08/13/02 04:53 PM

From a US centric point of view, magazines are very moderately priced. From the rest of the world viewpoint, they are cost prohibitive.

The net is a viable alternative for some things like catalogs and virtual magic shops. I can safely say that except for a few private boards, the web has very little quality magic discussion to offer and even less in published material.

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Postby Richard Kaufman » 08/13/02 09:21 PM

Geez. Lior, wake up!
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 08/13/02 10:03 PM

I mean ... 5% value and the rest is crap? Really.
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Postby Lior » 08/14/02 01:21 AM

Hi
that's a nice attitude you have Mr. Kaufman
I will answer your way:

I think that you have to wake up.
I know that what you think is always right
and what the rest thinks is always wrong.

I like David Blaine and you hate him
You like Jamey Ian and I... Don't like
what he writes...LOL.
I like Metalisem (or any other way you want to call a mindreading show)
and you do all you can against this branch of magic.
You are a very bad magician but a very good writer, I am a very bad writer but I am a very good...LOL

All I did in my magic life was completely the opposite of your opinions
that are reflected in your magazines (and I am doing very well..)

But I am sure that deep inside , you know that you sell books and you have to market them.
Most of the books are the same , almost nothing inside .
Most of the magazines are the same, If you have 2 years, you have them all
just sent yourself the first one in the mail and you get a "New Magazine"...

Magic dealers sell every week the best effects
just invented 5 days ago.And the adds promise that
it is the latest break through. But 95% is BS.
You have to support those dealers because it's some off your business.
They put adds in Jenii.

Now you gave us this forum and you have to be aware that not everybody thinks like you.

I never thought about it ,but I am going to find someone
to write a book for me with all my unique effects...
You 'll get the first copy for review

PS
I think in Hebrew and then translate to English
In Hebrew it sounds very well, and I don't know how it sounds in
English. I hope you can read what I wanted to say

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Postby Matthew Field » 08/14/02 07:46 AM

Lior -- I am, of course, biased since I write for Genii and am a friend (and former student) of Richard Kaufman's.

Your point of view, that there is no need to read what's in the magic magazines or in most magic books (since 95% is crap) would, if applied to other subjects, where the same percentage is true, prove obviously wrong.

Why read the newspaper? The stock market goes up or down -- who cares? There are floods in some places and droughts elsewhere -- that's been going on forever. We are at war with some folks and at peace with others -- when haven't we been?

What magic magazines show, at the very least, is what the magic community (or at least some members of it) have on their minds right now. As Lisa Cousins wrote, they are a unifying force to help bring the community closer together.

Nothing new in magic books? I'd suggest you read the works of Derren Brown, if you haven't already. You might have missed the glowing review given them by Jamy Ian Swiss in that magazine edited by the guy who you say hates mentalism; the same guy who is a good friends of Max Maven. You will, of course miss the upcoming Genii article on Marc Salem, who has been known to read a mind or two himself.

It is lovely that you are giving your magic magazine subscription money to poor children, but you are missing out on some wonderful material and, whether you realize it or not, you are poorer for it.

I am glad to see you posting on the Genii Forum, even though 95% of what is here must be crap as well. Your postings, of course, fall into the "good" 5%. So do those of Pete Biro, David Regal, Tommy Wonder, Paul Alberstat, Jon Racherbaumer, Steve Bryant, Geno Munari, Quentin Reynolds, David Acer . . .

Gee, it's amazing that I've listed just a portion of the Genii Forum participants and I can fit all that in just 5% of the total.

Isolationism, Lior, for that is what you are advocating, is a very dangerous philosophy in today's world. I agree that there is much to be found in old books and magazines, and I read them all the time, but sometimes it is good to come out and take a look around.

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Postby Jim Maloney_dup1 » 08/14/02 08:03 AM

Originally posted by Matthew Field:
Your point of view, that there is no need to read what's in the magic magazines or in most magic books (since 95% is crap) would, if applied to other subjects, where the same percentage is true, prove obviously wrong.
Even if 95% is crap...that other 5% is worth more that what I pay for a subscription. Heck, go read David Regal's recent "Speaking Volumes" article and tell me that that's not worth this year's subscription, at least.

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Postby Bill Mullins » 08/14/02 12:01 PM

Originally posted by Matthew Field:
I am glad to see you posting on the Genii Forum, even though 95% of what is here must be crap as well. Your postings, of course, fall into the "good" 5%. So do those of Pete Biro, David Regal, Tommy Wonder, Paul Alberstat, Jon Racherbaumer, Steve Bryant, Geno Munari, Quentin Reynolds, David Acer . . .

Geez, Matt, does that leave me in the 95%??
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Postby Jim Maloney_dup1 » 08/14/02 12:29 PM

Originally posted by bill mullins:
Geez, Matt, does that leave me in the 95%??
It's lonely out here . . .
It's ok, Bill. I'll hang out with you. I think I'm somewhere at the very end of that 95%...as far away from the 5% as possible. I don't think they like me over there. ;)

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Postby Guest » 08/14/02 01:34 PM

Jim... you are at least 5% of something.. what, we're still trying to figure out. We are pretty certian though, that the 95% crap figure is applicable but I think you would agree that BS is something to value... especially in magician's circles and publications :rolleyes:

[This is going to hurt... I haven't picked on him in ages... :( ]

I give the magic media (print & net) a bit more credit than the 95% figure... Genii & Magic both deliver some great insight... just not "enough"... like I said earlier, all the ads and over-rated hype sales get in the way. Even at that, I'd say the printed word gives more like an 45% solid base of material vs. the 5% you'll find surfing all day and night on the net. After all, you go to one forum you have one kind of "I'm Walt Disney Incarnate" Nazi censoring the crap out of what's said... go to another and you have a gang of about five bullies that terrorize most mentalist that don't conform to thier idea of "how things are supposed to be" and even have the moderator so afraid of them that he wont kick them off line.

Oops! I'm venting... :rolleyes: Or am I?

No, I'm revealing some of the realities around the net and how difficult it is to find the "real forums" where some solid info can be had. Between all the opinions, tempermental moderators, and having to constantly restate something you mentioned 18 dozen times in the past year, one more time for a neophyte to hear yet again... well, you're lucky if you get 5% worth of solid information on-line (outside the Ezine resource).

I'm still trying to figure out how certain people ended up on Mathew's list of the key 5% contributors... at least one name on that list don't belong there.. unless you're including grief, headaches and ulcers as being part of the 5% factor? ;)
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Postby Jim Maloney_dup1 » 08/14/02 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Craig Browning:
Jim... you are at least 5% of something.. what, we're still trying to figure out. We are pretty certian though, that the 95% crap figure is applicable but I think you would agree that BS is something to value... especially in magician's circles and publications :rolleyes:

[This is going to hurt... I haven't picked on him in ages... :( ]
Hurt? Bah! Have you seen what the other moderators are posting about me over in the KJ admin forum? Something about bag boys, juicers, llamas, sheep, Tarzan, and my god-like power over the above. Throw in a hand-me-down loincloth, and I'm a party waiting to happen, it seems.

I think I know now why I'm at the far end of the 95%.

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Postby Lior » 08/14/02 03:43 PM

you wrote
----------------------------------------Nothing new in magic books? I'd suggest you read the works of Derren Brown, if you haven't already. You might have missed the glowing review given them by Jamy Ian Swiss in that magazine edited by the guy who you say hates mentalism; the same guy who is a good friends of Max Maven. You will, of course miss the upcoming Genii article on Marc Salem, who has been known to read a mind or two himself.
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The Brown book is very good,It has presentation tips that will be skipped
by the cardguys but they are great for the mentalisem group.
The book got a great review because of the card tricks.
Bush ,Richardson,Banacheck, Cassidy have great books (they are the 5% lol)

Do we need more books about 4 ace revelations, more sandwich and more oil and water??

Marc Salem started his Broadway show on 1996....It took him 6 years to be in Jenii...

Mentalisem get nothing in the magazines

Max Maven is God..
I admire him, and I learned\the 5% of good stuff that he gave a way.
I feel OK to ask him about the guy who publish some card effects
that you need to count 14 if they say 5 and reverse the deck
and count one to the right and 5 to the left and spell the next one...LOL
I see one like that in every issue.

Try to stop for a second and think about it again.
This is what I was doing.
I went to my library and my video tapes collection
and tried to see what is a waste of time and what helped me
in my magic life (and what helped my friends in there magic life)

I am sorry to tell you
I am right and you are wrong LOL
I have no idea about what kind of shows you do
and how much you charge(this is an indication,if you are good or very good)

It is about time that there will be a change in the magic world
we step in the same place because there are some people that dominate this
world and we all have to obey them
And I don't want to be a piece of DNA ( as Mr. Munari calls Joe Stevens and Flip... and you say that he is in the 5%...)

By the way
go and read the Harry Loraine article about Steve Cohen: It was Harry Loraine writing about himself
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Postby Guest » 08/14/02 06:28 PM

PS
I think in Hebrew and then translate to English. In Hebrew it sounds very well, and I don't know how it sounds in English. I hope you can read what I wanted to say

Lior Manor
I had always heard the phrase as: Talk British and think Yiddish!

Lior, I can safely say it doesn't not sound very well in English; you are coming across as a obstreperous nay-sayer (try that in your Hebrew/English dictionary!).

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Postby Jim Maloney_dup1 » 08/14/02 08:20 PM

Originally posted by Lior Manor:
Bush ,Richardson,Banacheck, Cassidy have great books (they are the 5% lol)
And then later on, you said...

Mentalisem get nothing in the magazines
I suppose you've missed the column that Barrie Richardson, who you say is one of the good mentalism guys, has in Genii.

It is about time that there will be a change in the magic world
That's fair. And can I ask, what exactly are you doing about it? I see a lot of complaining, but no action. If you feel that it's so bad, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

I'd also like to say that at least part of the reason there isn't more mentalism is because more people are interested in the card tricks and the close-up stuff. Just because YOU like it, doesn't mean we have to. If you want more mentalism, get one of the publications listed in this thread and stop complaining to us.

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Postby Lior » 08/15/02 12:26 AM

Lior, I can safely say it doesn't not sound very well in English;

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Doesn't not ???
Is it from Martin Gardner .

So you laugh on my English??
You don't like my opinions so I am "obstreperous" ?? (Page 204 in the Larry Beaker Dictionary)

and for Malony
Barrie is the good 5% in Jenii
Please ask Barrie Richardson about me and what do I do
(you can also call Banachek, Connover ,Kurtz, Mark Salem, T' Karmelovitz
and all the good guys)

Magic is my love and it is what I do for living.

Next time you see my name ....just skip and read another message

lets all cast a shadow over the last coin (the last one is very difficult)
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Postby Jim Maloney_dup1 » 08/15/02 06:45 AM

Originally posted by Lior Manor:
Barrie is the good 5% in Jenii
So then mentalism does get something in the magazine and Richard isn't doing everything he can against mentalism. After all, if he had an evil plot against mentalism, wouldn't he get rid of Barrie? And that shady Max Maven/Phil Goldstein character...I've seen some mentalism in his column. I suppose we should get rid of him too. After all, mentalism is incredibly evil and should be banned from all our magazines and publications! MUAHAHAHAHA!

Whatever.

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Postby Ray Haddad » 08/16/02 02:26 AM

Originally posted by Lior Manor:
and for Malony
Barrie is the good 5% in Jenii
Please ask Barrie Richardson about me and what do I do
(you can also call Banachek, Connover ,Kurtz, Mark Salem, T' Karmelovitz
and all the good guys)

Magic is my love and it is what I do for living.
Lior,

I know who you are and even know of your love of magic and mentalism. I share that love and am also a performer by choice. It is what I do for a living, also.

You're English is far better than most others' Hebrew for certain. Don't get angry if others nitpick your grammar. If they can't understand you they should have the courtesy to ask what you are trying to say.

I suggest to you that instead of complaining about the lack of mentalism in Genii Magazine that you write some articles for Genii and submit them to Mr. Kaufman for his review and possible publication.

If you are looking for an editor to smoothe out your English a bit, I will help you. All you need do is ask. This way, you can make a positive effort to contribute to Genii and make it more like you wish it to be.

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Postby Lior » 08/16/02 03:18 AM

Hi Ray and thanks for your help in English
(I will try to help you in Hebrew)
All I said is that we don't need magazines,
they all look the same and there is nothing new inside
The covers repeat, the 4 aces change places,
you can find the news on the web,
you can find great magic in the books you have
(if you have a lot your 5% is bigger)
You have the old magazines, go and read them again

I don't want to write to Jennii (maybe if they have me on the cover) LOL

I don't know why I am not aloud to say what I think about Jamy Ian
While he is aloud the say what he thinks about mentalistem and mentalists

Jenii is not the place for mentalisem
and I don't want it to be like that
It will be what Mr. Kaufman wants it to be.

I don't have anymore words that I know in English
I am going to learn few more and come back again

Lior Manor

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even if you pass 4 cions from hand to hand,
one coin after the other ...
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Postby Ray Haddad » 08/16/02 05:49 AM

Lior,

It sounds to me like you believe there's nothing new in today's magazines. Perhaps not, but it's upon this generation of magicians (of which we are a part) to make that change for the better.

To simply complain about it while doing nothing is simply not good for magic.

Your article may be an inspiration for some young magician. Please consider being part of a solution to your own complaint. I think you have it in you.

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Ray
Best Regards,
Ray
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Postby Lior » 08/16/02 07:30 AM

Why do you say that I do nothing??
A new generation is going my way ( or there way)
They are inspired from what I do.

Why do you say that I complain??
I just say that we don't need magic magazines
It is 2002 and everything can be done on the web
We don't call it "complain" in Hebrew . We call
this is what I think. I don't ask Mr. Kaufman or Allan
to improve.

Looks like you all ignore the main message:
We don't need magic magazines anymore!!!

Now let me say more:
I have all the respect for Richard Kaufman
He did a lot for the art of magic with all the books that he
published and all the illustrations . Great job.
But I don't agree on the magazine...
sorry

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Postby Joe M. Turner » 08/16/02 08:16 AM

Originally posted by Lior Manor:
Why do you say that I complain??
I just say that we don't need magic magazines
It is 2002 and everything can be done on the web

...

Looks like you all ignore the main message:
We don't need magic magazines anymore!!!
We don't really "need" mentalists anymore, either. As long as we're being brutally honest.

JMT
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Postby Jim Maloney_dup1 » 08/16/02 08:18 AM

Originally posted by Joe M. Turner:
We don't really "need" mentalists anymore, either. As long as we're being brutally honest.

JMT
Ouch!

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Postby Q. Kumber » 08/16/02 10:26 AM

Originally posted by Joe M. Turner:
QUOTE]We don't really "need" mentalists anymore, either. As long as we're being brutally honest.

JMT
Yes, Magicians don't "need" mentalists.
But the public do and they are prepared to pay for the privelige.
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