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Postby Richard Hatch » 11/17/05 12:11 AM

Check out www.conjuringarts.org for some exciting developments.
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Postby Craig Matsuoka » 11/17/05 08:06 AM

WOW!!!

Thanks for posting that link, Richard.

Since it's giving me a bad case of "rock fever", I must now go and chant our unofficial state motto, "Lucky we live Hawaii" one hundred times.

Thanks A LOT.
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Postby Craig Matsuoka » 11/17/05 08:17 AM

By the way. To the ones charged with the Herculean task of cataloging, my hat's off to you.

You poor, poor souls.
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Postby magicam » 11/17/05 12:00 PM

Too bad you didn't live a little closer, Craig. Based on our limited correspondence, I suspect it'd be a pleasure to chat with you in person. Then again, do you surf? Maybe I should visit you in HI. How's that for an unwanted guest? :whack:

Oh yes, this thread. Has anyone here successfully joined? I wrote a while back asking to send payment by mail instead of Paypal, but no reply yet. Also had a chance to scan the first issue of their periodical at the Conference. Can't speak to the contents, but some of the authors are known and respected and the layout and typography looked good.


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Postby Richard Kaufman » 11/17/05 01:51 PM

The first issue of the new journal is beautiful and the information is must for anyone interested in the history of magic. Very exciting!
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Postby Guest » 11/18/05 10:17 AM

Hi,i'm Crim
i live in Italy,
and i've just seen that wonderful site, which is conjuringarts.
I've seen that there are three membership options..
but living in Italy i don't know which is the best for me, because i can't consult phisically the library in New York.
Do you know if the virtual library is big?
And which membership do you suggest me?
Hoping for an answer of yours..
my best regards.
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Postby Richard Hatch » 11/18/05 10:28 AM

Originally posted by crimsonking:
Do you know if the virtual library is big?
The virtual library currently contains over 500,000 pages in over 6,000 documents with more being added daily.
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Postby Matthew Field » 11/18/05 10:45 AM

I met Bill Kalush in the Magic Circle library where he was doing some research and he showed me the portable version of the database, which is a thing of beauty.

Membership is not currently a financial possibility for me, but maybe one day.

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Postby Guest » 11/18/05 11:09 AM

Thank you Mr.Hatch
I'm very happy the library is so big..so i can consult it from Italy.
Still, which membership do you suggest me?
Sorry for the silly question, but i don't know if with the most expensive one, i can use all the benefits in Italy.
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Postby Richard Hatch » 11/18/05 11:56 AM

Mattia, I'm not sure that any level of membership provides off site access to the virtual library. I personally joined at the Charlier level in order to get the bi-annual publication, which should be outstanding in both content and format. If I lived in New York and could take advantage of the higher levels of membership and could afford to do so, I likely would. I assume that one can upgrade the membership level as deemed desirable, but am not sure of the details.
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Postby Bill Palmer » 11/19/05 12:45 AM

I'm always a more than a little leery of any library project that has a statement that they eventually plan to "digitize every work" in any given field. This could lead to some rather heavy consequences in terms of copyright issues.

Some would argue that under the fair use clause in the copyright law, this would be completely legal. This is not true as fair usage does nto cover complete works, but small segments of them.
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Postby Bill Mullins » 11/19/05 09:16 AM

There are several interesting copyright issues. One is that libraries are given some exemptions to copyright laws that the rest of us don't get. Another is that most of what would be interesting in a library like this would likely be out of copyright and in the public domain -- everything published before 1923, everything before 1963 which hasn't been renewed (the edition of Bobo's coin magic that Dover reprinted falls into this category), and everything published before 1977 without a copyright notice (like so many lecture notes). This isn't everything I'd like to read, but it's more than I _could_ read.
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Postby Guest » 11/19/05 10:58 AM

Hi,
do you know if i subscribe to the conjuringarts site, i can consult the virtual library form my home in Italy,
or like Mr.Hatch said yesterday maybe it's only possible to consult the virtual library from the real library.
Many Thanks
Crim
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Postby Marco Pusterla » 11/19/05 11:58 AM

Originally posted by crimsonking:
do you know if i subscribe to the conjuringarts site, i can consult the virtual library form my home in Italy,
or like Mr.Hatch said yesterday maybe it's only possible to consult the virtual library from the real library.
This is also my question, as the site doesn't make this point clear and emails are not being replied to
:(

Speaking with a friend, I understand that part of the library is accessible remotely, but I would appreciate a clarification from the organization.

Many thanks, ciao!
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 11/19/05 12:02 PM

There are all kinds of copyrighted material in the database, so access cannot be legally given.
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Postby Guest » 11/19/05 01:00 PM

I didn't understand very well.
So because of the copyright i can't consult the material remotely, also if i'm subscribed?
Or i can consult remotely only part of the material.
Otherwise it's not worthy to make a subscription, for the people outside of NY.
I just want to understand if i subscribe form Italy, if there is some material which i can consult remotely.
Please help me, cause i love this whole idea, but i don't want to spoil a subscription which i wouldn't be able to use from my home!
Thanks
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Postby Bill Wells » 11/19/05 01:40 PM

The website offers the following levels of membership:

Levels & Benefits
Charlier Level - $95/yr
Subscription to Gibecire
In-Library Access to the Alexander Database
10% Discount on Publishing Releases
Newsletter
Invitations to Special Events

Hofzinser Level - $245/yr
Subscription to Gibecire
In-Library Access to the Alexander Database
Hofzinser Level Online Access to AskAlexander.org
10% Discount on Publishing Releases
Newsletter
Invitation to Special Hofzinser Member Events
Discounts on Library Services

Erdnase Level - $495/yr
Subscription to Gibecire
5 Free Hours of Research done by Conjuring Arts Librarians
In-Library Access to the Alexander Database
Erdnase Level Online Access to AskAlexander.org
10% Discount on Publishing Releases
Newsletter
Invitations to Private Erdnase Member Events
Discounts on Library Services
Access to the Library Special Hours
Special Editions and pre-release copies of publications

I suppose the question is exactly what sort of onlline access is allowed by the "Hofzinser" and "Erdnase" levels. Too bad that the site doesn't explain this as remote access and knowing what kind of access you are getting is really critical to anyone who doesn't live in NY.
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Postby Guest » 11/19/05 01:55 PM

So you think that i can access to the library only if i go phisically in to the library.
No library access from the internet!
What a pity!
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Postby Guest » 11/21/05 01:55 PM

Here are what I hope to be some helpful answers to the questions posted here.

First, let me apologize on behalf of Conjuring Arts. As the website is new,
apparently all of the queries sent to us were lost in cyberspace and it wasn't until I
reviewed the Genii forum that we had any idea questions had come in and we,
regretfully, had not responded. That is being taken care of currently.

As for remote access for those who live out of state, or in other countries, YES,
at the upper levels of memberahip you will have selected access to
Alexander, the Library's database.

Hope that helps :)
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Postby Jim Maloney_dup1 » 12/23/05 10:53 AM

I notice that Conjuring Arts now has some sample pages of the first issue of Gibecire online, including the table of contents. It's worth checking out.

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Postby Ken Trombly » 12/23/05 02:59 PM

Clay, et al. I joined on line and received my Gibeciere within a day or two - and it is a thing of beauty. I have only read the first article in it so far, and it was excellently done....the quality and feel of a scholarly journal. Bill Kalush and his staff have much of which to be proud. What with Genii, MAGIC, The Magic Circular, MUM and others like Antinomy etc, we are living in a time of plenty when it comes to written conjuring resources - but there will certainly be room for this welcome new arrival.
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Postby Todd Karr » 12/23/05 06:04 PM

Alexander rules. I have been using it for research and it is truly the most amazing aid ever offered to the magic world.
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Postby Steve Shain » 12/23/05 07:39 PM

Note to those that go looking for the sample pages and get message "Not Found" after clicking on the link. There is a typo in some of the URLs pointing to the pages. Just replace the "pg" with "p" in the URL for the page and hit enter; it will pop right up.

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Postby Guest » 12/24/05 04:51 PM

Hey, those Christmas cards in the gallery are a hoot!
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 12/24/05 04:52 PM

Is that the same Sid Lorraine as in IBIDEM?
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Postby Guest » 03/18/06 11:42 AM

Hello,

I am very much interested in becoming a member of the Conjuring Arts Research Centre. But my decision of whether to become a member and at what level will depend a lot on the kind of access to the digital library resources that a membership will offer.

I have sent two email messages to conjuringarts.org, asking for specifics about the different levels of membership, but haven't received a reply two months after my first email.

I have read this thread and the conjuringarts website quite thoroughly, but there is still one major question remaining.

I understand from the membership page that the Hofzinser and Erdnase levels of membership offer online access to the AskAlexander full-text database.

Living in Europe, I am not very interested in some of the added advantages of the Erdnase level, such as Library special hours or Erdnase Events.

So the crucial question for me, in order to decide between the two upper levels of membership, concerns the exact difference between the Hofzinser and the Erdnase level of online access.

Also, I have seen that the catalogue of the library's holdings can be accessed via the website. But is there any way of finding out which of the holdings have already been digitalized?

If anyone from the Conjuring Arts Research Center or anyone else 'in the know' is reading this, an answer would be very much appreciated.
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Postby Jim Maloney_dup1 » 03/19/06 10:35 AM

Tilman,

I'm a Hofzinser level member, so I just took a look at what's available to me. In addition to a number of early magic books and instruction sheets, here's a list of the periodicals that I have available to me:

Abracadabra
Bat
Billboard
Bookie
Boy-American Magician
Conjurer's Chronicle
Conjurer's Monthly Magazine
Conjuriana
Conjuring Record
Conjurors' Magazine
Diebox
Eagle Magician
Edward's Monthly
Felsman's
G-D Truth about Magic
Genii
Gibeciere
Goldston Annual
Goldston's Magazine of Magic
Goldston's Magician
Goldston's Pantomime
Goldston's Quarterly
Hugard's Magic Monthly
Ibidem
Il Prestigiatore Moderno
Jinx
Journal of Magic History
L'Escamoteur
L'Illusionista
L'Illusionniste
Locke's Conjuror's
Magic Key
Magic Mag
Magic Mirror
Magic Wand
Magic: The Magazine of Wonder
Magical World
Mahatma
NCA
New Jinx
New Pentagram
New Tops
Osirian
Pacific Coast Magic News
Pentagram
Perennial Mystics
Phoenix and New Phoenix
Pierce's Magic World
Seance
Selbit's Wizard
Seven Circles
Spell Binder
Sphinx
Stanyon's
Syzygy
Thayers
Tops
Variety
Wizard

Also note that the website now states, for the Charlier level "NEW: Now includes trial access to a limited portion of AskAlexander Online." You might want to check that out -- I doubt there would be any difficulty upgrading your account later if you wish (though you may want to talk with them about it first).

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Postby Guest » 03/19/06 11:16 AM

Jim,

Thanks a lot for the information. That's an impressive list. Thanks also for pointing out the trial offer at the Charlier level. I had overlooked that.

Of course, I am still wondering about the advantages the Erdnase level might have over the Hofzinser level as far as full-text resources go and would be grateful for any additional information from anyone who is in a position to compare.

Also, Jim, may I conclude from what you wrote that access to books is still rather limited at present (at least at Hofzinser level)?

Thanks in advance to anyone filling us in on this!

Best regards, Tilman
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Postby Charles McCall » 03/19/06 04:33 PM

Wow! The C.A.R,C. is now offering members a free, three day upgrade to the next level. I'm a Hofzinser member in his third day at the Erdnase level. It is wonderful, and I'm using my trial heavily, and I hope wisely. I'm not yet sure whether I'll upgrade, for I've used most of the sources for the research on which I'm engaged. The library is a great resource for those of us with little access to a great collection, and the top level of membership gives considerably better access to it!
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Postby Jim Maloney_dup1 » 03/19/06 05:27 PM

Originally posted by Charles McCall:
Wow! The C.A.R,C. is now offering members a free, three day upgrade to the next level.
What?!? How can I find out about this? I'd love to check out what's available at the Erdnase level.

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Postby Jim Maloney_dup1 » 03/20/06 09:15 AM

Originally posted by Tilman:
Also, Jim, may I conclude from what you wrote that access to books is still rather limited at present (at least at Hofzinser level)?
You're not going to find any current books there, at least as far as I can tell, but there is a large amount of early magic books available. Here's sampling of what you'll find:

* Ady 1655
* Ady 1661
* Albertus 1548
* Albertus 1560 ca.
* Albertus 1560 ca. another
* Albertus 1561
* Aubrey's Miscellanies 1696
* Bacon's Sylva Sylvarum 1658
* Baker 1574
* Baker 1580
* Baker 1591
* Baker 1598
* Baker 1602
* Baker 1607
* Baker 1607 partial
* Baker 1612
* Baker 1617
* Baker 1650
* Baker 1650 partial
* Baker 1655
* Baker Well Spring 1568
* Bartholomew Faire 1641
* Bate 1634
* Bate 1635
* Bate 1654
* Book of pretty conceits 1628
* Canting Academy 1673
* Caveat for common cursetors
* Cotgrave 1655
* Cotgrave 1662
* Cotgrave 1671
* Cotton 1674
* Dean 1722
* Dekker - Belman of London, 1608
* Dekker - Lanthorne and candle-light 1609
* Dr. Lambe 1628
* Ghisi in English 1610
* Green - Second part of conny-catching 1591
* Green - Theeves falling out 1600
* Green - Theeves falling out 1615
* Green - Theeves falling out 1617
* Green, Disputation 1592
* Green, Newes both from Heaven and Hell 1593
* Greene Friar Bacon-Bungay
* Greene Notable discovery 1598
* Greene Third and Last part of cony catching
* Hatton's Arithmetic 1699
* Hill 1582
* Hill 1670
* Hill 1684
* History of Frier Bacon 1683
* Hocus Pocus Jr 03rd 1638
* Hocus Pocus Jr 05th 1658
* Hocus Pocus Jr 07th 1671
* Hocus Pocus Jr 10th 1683
* Hocus Pocus Jr 12th 1691
* Holme 1688
* Hunt 1631
* Johnson Dainty conceits 1630
* L'Antidote Ou Le Contrepoison Des Chevaliers D'Industrie Ou Joueurs De Profession
* Lanthorne and candlelight 1608
* Lanthorne and candlelight 1608 pt. 2
* Lemery 1685
* Leurechon 1633
* Leybourn Recreations 1667
* Leybourne Pleasure with Profit 1694
* Lucian 1663
* Lupton 1601
* Lupton 1630
* Lupton n.d.
* Lupton n.d. title
* Mihil Mumchance 1597
* Necessary family book 1688
* Necessary family book 1688
* Neve 1721
* Nicker Nicked 1668
* Record 1582
* Rid 1612
* Rid 1614
* Scot 1654
* Sports and Pastimes 1676
* Treatise on morall phylosophy
* Valentinus 1671
* Walker Manifest detection
* Webster Arithmetic 1634
* White Rich cabinet 1668
* White Rich cabinet 1677
* White Rich cabinet 1685
* Wits Cabinet 1698
* Worcester 1663

There's also Pacioli's "de Viribus Quantatis", which contains the earliest known description of a card trick, a nice selection of Spanish Gaming Books, and several other items.

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Postby Guest » 03/20/06 09:16 AM

Dear Tilman,

We are terribly sorry about this confusion. We believe we have responded to all email and certainly are looking forward to all new members. We have tried to determine if your email arrived and was overlooked, but because your full name or your email address are not indicated here, we can't check thoroughly.

We don't publish the list of what is accessible in AskAlexander at each level because the lists are subject to change, and do change. They are usually growing, but occasionally we must remove something. Mr. Maloney's list posted above is what's available at the moment, but it might vary slightly by the time you gain access. Please don't think we mean that the material's availability changes every day, it doesn't, it's just that we don't guarantee access to anything in specific.

Regarding your question about what is available at the Erdnase level that isn't at the lower levels: several runs of magic journals and a large collection of various Houdini related material. My estimate is the material regarding Houdini is about 30,000 pages and would be very difficult to find elsewhere. Books are not generally available. Although we have scanned many hundreds of books, we aren't making them available outside the library until we determine if they are public domain or obtain permission from the copyright holders.

I truly hope this corrects the error in communication and answers some of your questions. If you will either post here or send directly to me your email address and full name, I will check my email log to determine where your communications have gone. Thank you.

Kenlynne Rini
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Postby Guest » 03/20/06 01:01 PM

Dear Kenlynne,

Thanks a lot for your reply here.

I am very sorry if, by asking my questions in public, I have caused confusion or created the impression that the Conjuring Arts Research Center is generally difficult to reach.
Given the many possible reasons for an email not reaching its recipient, I do not suppose that any mistake was made on your part. That's one more reason why I should have attempted to reach you by telephone or letter before asking my questions here...
By now all my questions have been answered by you and other members (a big thank you to Jim Maloney) of the Genii forum and I am looking forward to becoming a member in the near future.
In the meantime congratulations on what is a very exciting and important project!
Also, my sincere apologies again. I have just sent you an email of similar content, but giving full name and contact details.

With best regards, Tilman
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Postby Guest » 05/15/07 12:42 PM

bit old but I'm a hofzinser level member, if anyone has any questions about whats what let me know (andrewwebbuk@gmail.com) It is slightly confusing about whats available and whats not from the site.. the online library is quite extensive, but is searchable off site..

however, due to copyright, only content that is out of copyright OR the center has express permission from the copyright holder is available on the online search..

however.. I'm currently reading on my screen copies of jinx, new pentagram, Sphinx and mahatma magazines.. for the membership price, you cannot get better than being able to read these three!!
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Postby John McDonald » 03/09/08 03:07 AM

I am thinking of joining the Conjuring Arts Research Centre. I am uncertain wether to join at the Charlier or Hofzinser level. Is anyone able to tell me the difference in how these two levels access Search Alexander? Thanks
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Postby Joe Pecore » 03/09/08 05:47 AM

The difference is in then amount of material you are allowed to search, but they don't publish the list because it's always changing. Try emailing them directly at contact CARC .
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Postby Richard Hatch » 03/09/08 09:42 AM

At one point they offered a free trial upgrade to the higher level so you could experience the difference. If that is still a valid offer, you could join at the lower level then check out the difference yourself.
The basic (Charlier) membership is an incredible bargain at the moment. Until Gibeciere issue 5 comes out, you'll still get issue 4, which will sell for $75 starting April 1st. And you'll get issue 5 which will sell for at least $40. That's $115 value and the Charlier membership is just $95. Plus you get a couple of nice newsletters edited by Mike Caveney and access (at a certain level) to the AskAlexander database. The access alone is easily worth the $95. Seems like a no-brainer to me to anyone with the least interest in magic history.
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Postby John McDonald » 03/09/08 10:15 AM

Thanks for the replies. It is the "at a certain level" I am unsure about. Does that mean I know the page number that a search term is located in a certain magazine or is there an adobe file available at the Charlier level?
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Postby Joe Pecore » 03/09/08 11:33 AM

The full page found during search is available at the Charlier level (in Adobe format).

It's the same search tool at all levels (I believe). You just get access to search more kinds of books, magazines, newspaper clippings, etc. as you move up.
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Postby John McDonald » 03/09/08 12:33 PM

Thanks Joe, i have found everyone's comments informative. I will dive in at the Charlier level.
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