Announcement of a Secret Project

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Pete McCabe » January 8th, 2013, 10:13 am

All right, but the next time we meet, you owe me a torrent of verbal abuse. In the interest of fairness, you should wait until I show you a trick.

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby erdnasephile » January 8th, 2013, 10:17 am

Was there ever a good magician who spent time with Vernon that he didn't tongue-lash?

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby erdnasephile » January 8th, 2013, 11:53 am

BTW, that wasn't meant to be a rehetorical, snarky question. I was asking because from what I've read, he was reputed to be a tough critic of pretty much everyone. I was just curious if anyone in particular seemed to get less of the business.

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Charles Spector » January 8th, 2013, 11:54 am

I'll take a shot: The Bruce Cervon videos. Not that Richard is going to give in with a right guess...

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Richard Kaufman » January 8th, 2013, 11:59 am

Not Cervon.
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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby erdnasephile » January 8th, 2013, 12:17 pm

Man, that would be cool!

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Ian Kendall » January 8th, 2013, 12:19 pm

I still think the Vernonator would be a good app to develop...might have to give David Ben a call.

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby RMajor » January 8th, 2013, 12:35 pm

Perhaps a Skinner project with Hahne Magic?

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby skmayhew » January 8th, 2013, 2:25 pm

Busby!

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Richard Kaufman » January 8th, 2013, 3:48 pm

Nothing with Hahne Magic.
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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Bill Mullins » January 8th, 2013, 5:25 pm

Richard Kaufman wrote:It's not Giorgio. I published all of his best magic routines, with the exception of his three-card monte, in his special issue of Genii.


So publish his monte routine then.

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Richard Kaufman » January 8th, 2013, 7:18 pm

He put it out as a booklet and his wife still sells it.
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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Jim Martin » January 8th, 2013, 7:34 pm

I purchased my copy from Byron Walker:

http://www.byronwalkermagicbooks.com/gambling.html

(toward the bottom of the page)
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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Bill Mullins » January 8th, 2013, 8:02 pm

Ah. Thanks.

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Richard Hatch » January 9th, 2013, 12:19 am

The Giorgio monograph on his Monte routine is also listed as in stock at my old company, H & R Magic Books:
http://www.magicbookshop.com/product_in ... s_id=15000

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Shaun » January 9th, 2013, 12:44 am

It's Jennings Takes It Easy! Yay.

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Richard Kaufman » January 9th, 2013, 1:52 am

I wish. Actually did a day's work on Jennings recently, but no, that's not it.
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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Max Maven » January 9th, 2013, 1:56 am

erdnasephile wrote:Was there ever a good magician who spent time with Vernon that he didn't tongue-lash?


The Professor was willing and able to criticize when he saw fit. But, it was rarely as abusive as people now imagine.

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Shaun » January 9th, 2013, 2:52 am

Richard Kaufman wrote:I wish. Actually did a day's work on Jennings recently, but no, that's not it.


I can't wait though Richard, It's gonna be epic!

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Ian Kendall » January 9th, 2013, 4:38 am

Giorgio showed me his monte when I visited him, and I still have the cards he used. His move was unbelievable to see, even from a couple of feet away; the top card seems to melt through. I can only imagine what it was like in his prime...

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Jonathan Townsend » January 9th, 2013, 8:44 am

Ian, what would it take to learn how to do that move as effectively?
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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby John Bowden » January 9th, 2013, 9:01 am

My guess for who is the subject magician of Richard's Secret Project is a magician who died before his time, had quite a few different names and made most of them famous, was connected to a famous non magic event in US history, and Richard was at his funeral. His wife also died before her time.

I'll not actually name who I am referring to but if it is that person then a collection of their material would be an awesome task.

Richard will know to whom I'm referring and can either confirm or deny. Should he deny................then I will name who I thought/think it is.

Transpired that this guy actually had an Irish name which surprised Richard who I believe wasn't aware of it until after his death.

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Tom Frame » January 9th, 2013, 9:29 am

My money's on Skinner.

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Thomas Van Aken » January 9th, 2013, 10:05 am

Hello,
I also directly thought to Mike Skinner as: one of the most famous close-up magicians in the last quarter of the 20th century. He published some during his lifetime, but nearly enough and he died prematurely.
But Skinner was most a performer (performing close up magic professionally for lay people each night) than a creator this is something quite obvious from his 3 performance only DVD's.
Next to the material already published in Classic Sampler, Intimate Magic, in periodicals and on his 4 DVDs (this makes already a very significant contribution to the Art) is there that much left to be published?
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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Bill Mullins » January 9th, 2013, 10:35 am

Thomas Van Aken wrote:


But Skinner was most a performer (performing close up magic professionally for lay people each night) than a creator this is something quite obvious from his 3 performance only DVD's.
Next to the material already published in Classic Sampler, Intimate Magic, in periodicals and on his 4 DVDs (this makes already a very significant contribution to the Art) is there that much left to be published?
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Skinner had several DVDs:
Michael Skinner's Professional Close-Up Magic 1-4
MASTER TEACH-IN SERIES DVD (formerly 3 VHS tapes)
Legendary Repertoire of Michael Skinner vols 1-3

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby erdnasephile » January 9th, 2013, 10:38 am

Max Maven wrote:
erdnasephile wrote:Was there ever a good magician who spent time with Vernon that he didn't tongue-lash?


The Professor was willing and able to criticize when he saw fit. But, it was rarely as abusive as people now imagine.


Thanks, Max!

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Richard Kaufman » January 9th, 2013, 11:44 am

Max is correct: Vernon was not abusive. But he could be strongly critical, which is a good thing. But he was only critical to people he cared about. If he didn't know you, or didn't like you, he just would make some non-commital remark. Sometimes he would say, to be polite, "That's good," or something along those lines. This led to advertisements where such off-the-cuff remarks were used as endorsements!
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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby DonB » January 9th, 2013, 12:40 pm

He didn't die young, but I would give someone's left nut for a Charlie Miller compendium, or even a nice reprint of ALL of his Magicana columns. That column was always the first place I turned in Genii, whether it was a new issue, or an older one I had picked up. I miss his smooth writing that brought out his own enthusiasm for the magic, and magicians, he encountered. I still use two items in my stage show that he taught in his column. They are THAT good.

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby El Mystico » January 9th, 2013, 12:47 pm

erdnasephile wrote:
Max Maven wrote:
erdnasephile wrote:Was there ever a good magician who spent time with Vernon that he didn't tongue-lash?


The Professor was willing and able to criticize when he saw fit. But, it was rarely as abusive as people now imagine.


Thanks, Max!


My memory is that - particularly towards the end of his life - he tried to find nice things to say. Which was why in those days so many ads contained his commendations.
So if he lashed Richard then....well....

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Q. Kumber » January 9th, 2013, 1:06 pm

Check the original Revelations videos (not the DVDs) for examples.

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Richard Kaufman » January 9th, 2013, 1:39 pm

Vernon didn't like the project I was working on at the time, which was the idea of Michael Ammar: for me to add several hundred illustrations to Expert at the Card Table. To that I added the idea having it annotated. He didn't like that at all, Gary Ouelett made sure that didn't make it into the original Videonics tapes, but I believe you can see Vernon give a tongue-lashing to Michael Ammar after his performance of "Triumph."

When L&L reedited the project, the part about me went in for the first time, and the part about Ammar was edited out.
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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Shaun » January 10th, 2013, 4:31 am

How about Steve Pressley?

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Joe Mckay » January 10th, 2013, 11:38 am

Ok - this isn't a guess. But this thread has reminded me of somebody.

Anybody know what happened to Pascal Monmoine? He had some great stuff in PABULAR and SPELLBINDER magazine. But - I have never seen him mentioned again in print.

Would be curious to see if he is still in magic - or if he ever published anything else?

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby KirkG » January 10th, 2013, 12:18 pm

erdnasephile,

As a young man I didn't take advantage of the opportunity to sit with Dai as much as I should have. If you were a serious student of magic and really showed you were making an effort, he was very supportive and kind. He patiently showed me over and over what the Erdnase bottom palm should look like until I got it.

I was pretty shy and in awe of him, but I kick myself now for not spending more time with him, once that door was opened.

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Matthew Field » January 10th, 2013, 12:23 pm

Richard -- is it the complete index of Ian Adair's output?

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Dustin Stinett » January 10th, 2013, 1:21 pm

Uncle Matt: For what it's worth, you just made my tea go up and out my nose.

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby erdnasephile » January 10th, 2013, 5:37 pm

Kirk wrote:erdnasephile,

As a young man I didn't take advantage of the opportunity to sit with Dai as much as I should have. If you were a serious student of magic and really showed you were making an effort, he was very supportive and kind. He patiently showed me over and over what the Erdnase bottom palm should look like until I got it.

I was pretty shy and in awe of him, but I kick myself now for not spending more time with him, once that door was opened.


Thanks, Kirk!

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Larry Horowitz » January 10th, 2013, 6:26 pm

I can't stand the speculation any longer. Here's the true title:

The Definitive Italian ACAAN

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Chas Nigh » January 10th, 2013, 7:00 pm

It's GOT to be Michael Skinner.

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Re: Announcement of a Secret Project

Postby Bob Farmer » January 10th, 2013, 8:12 pm

Doug Henning.


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