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In-the hand cups and balls routine - MAGIC Magazine

Postby Richard Tremblay » December 12th, 2016, 5:03 pm

I've been told that an in-the-hand cup(s) or chop cup routine appeared in MAGIC magazine some time ago. I'm on the look out for a routine that I could perform in the spectator's hand in strolling situation.

If anybody could point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate. Magic magazine used to have an online index but not anymore.

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Postby Leonard Hevia » December 12th, 2016, 9:22 pm

If you already understand the chop cup, then you can adapt the basic table routine to the spectator's hand. It isn't difficult.

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Postby Jonathan Townsend » December 12th, 2016, 10:04 pm

If anyone here's doing the trick ... thoughts about using the bag as tablecloth on their hand?
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Postby Brad Henderson » December 12th, 2016, 10:58 pm

Loomis (Dennis?) had an in the hands chip cup routine that was reviewed in several of the magazines. Uses one of those micro cups. sold as a manuscript n

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Postby Steve Mills » December 13th, 2016, 12:14 am

Brad Henderson wrote:Loomis (Dennis?) had an in the hands chip cup routine that was reviewed in several of the magazines. Uses one of those micro cups. sold as a manuscript n


I believe Jamie Grant bought the rights and has issued a new edition.
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Postby Richard Tremblay » December 13th, 2016, 7:59 pm

Thank you all. I'll have a look at Dennis Loomis routine. Tom Stone pointed me toward another version printed in Genii in 2002.

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Postby Ian Kendall » December 14th, 2016, 9:14 am

The Peter Rosengren routine?

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Postby Ian Kendall » December 14th, 2016, 9:37 am

Also, I have the Magic index up to 2011, and there's nothing in there. Sorry.

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Postby Jonathan Townsend » December 14th, 2016, 11:29 am

Ian Kendall wrote:The Peter Rosengren routine?


That's in the June 2002 issue
- kinda a "yes" to the question of using the bag as the tablecloth on a volunteer's hand for the routine.
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Postby Ian Kendall » December 14th, 2016, 1:07 pm

Many years ago Mark Leveridge put out a Chop Mug that used the carry bag as a close up mat on the spectator's hand.

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Postby Richard Kaufman » December 14th, 2016, 1:32 pm

I have a question: if you are doing a Chop Cup on a person's hand, how do you misdirect away from the heavier "put down" required to make the ball appear?
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Postby Richard Tremblay » December 14th, 2016, 6:04 pm

Ian Kendall wrote:The Peter Rosengren routine?

Yes.

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Postby Richard Tremblay » December 14th, 2016, 6:05 pm

Ian Kendall wrote:Also, I have the Magic index up to 2011, and there's nothing in there. Sorry.

Thanks Ian.

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Postby Richard Tremblay » December 14th, 2016, 6:09 pm

Richard Kaufman wrote:I have a question: if you are doing a Chop Cup on a person's hand, how do you misdirect away from the heavier "put down" required to make the ball appear?

Peter Rosengren shakes the cup to "make the sound appear", explaining that when you hear the ball, you can feel the ball.

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Postby Richard Tremblay » December 14th, 2016, 6:11 pm

Ian Kendall wrote:Many years ago Mark Leveridge put out a Chop Mug that used the carry bag as a close up mat on the spectator's hand.

I see that his routine appears in one of the British close-Up Symposium. I'll see if I could put my hand on it. Thanks.

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Postby Q. Kumber » December 15th, 2016, 6:51 am

Carl Royle, here in Manchester has a very good routine he's developed with a mini cup on participant's hand. As yet unpublished.
While Carl doesn't use it, a beer mat on the participant's hand - as a table - would stop them feeling surprises arrive.

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Postby performer » December 15th, 2016, 7:47 am

I have been doing a mini-cup climax on a spectator's hand for decades as a pitch item. This is using the small cups and balls. However, in more recent years Lisa Close of all people figured out a more effective improvement to it and I have been using it for the last 15 years or so. As a result of this improvement I have been able to use it as part of my regular cups and balls with the big cups. Oh, and you don't need the beer matt.

I believe it is described in my 3 DVD pitch course.

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Postby Tom Gilbert » December 15th, 2016, 12:47 pm

I can imagine Don Alan doing a chop cup routine in a spectator's hand.

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Postby webbmaster » April 26th, 2017, 2:05 pm

Instead of the net in the 3-ball trick, which spectators would hold, Charles Reynolds favored a wooden tray with a rim, and the rim had cutouts at each end for a handhold. With two spectators, one at each end, holding the tray, I don't see why not do cups that way too. I know it doesn't really answer the question of 'in their hands' but it does allow for not having an actual table.

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Postby Curtis Kam » April 26th, 2017, 6:25 pm

Gregg, see below. https://youtu.be/_txoK8WPZeA


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Postby Richard Hatch » April 27th, 2017, 1:14 pm

Just a note on the table used in the link Curtis posted above. I always wanted a Ross Bertram style table, as described in one of his books, to have two spectators hold for cups and balls. I had Tabby Crab customize one of his Erdnase train tables for that purpose, though he failed to add the holes for the hands, which to me was the most important feature! Later I had someone else add the holes to Tabby's table and while I liked it, I though it would add to the effectiveness of the performance if the spectators weren't sideways to the audience, but at a 45 degree angle, so the audience could better see their reactions. So I had Joe Anderson design and make such a table for me, which he delivered to me at the performance shown in the video at a Ft Worth magic club annual banquet performance many years ago. I love that table and use it in almost every performance, but I've been disappointed that the spectators seem to defy the hint of the design and insist on standing sideways anyway. And the table is just a bit too large to take on a plane as overhead luggage, so I use the Tabman table when I travel (taking it to Dubai for a trade show next month). My recollection from the description by Bertram is that he credited Mike Kanter with the idea of using the two spectators. In Kanter's case, they were holding the leaf of a table. Ross Bertram took the design to the next level by adding features such as the handholes and padding.


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