Sweden Going Cashless
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Sweden Going Cashless
"Bills and coins now represent just 2 percent of Sweden’s economy, compared with 7.7 percent in the United States and 10 percent in the euro area. "
Tom Stone, thoughts?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/27/busin ... nears.html
Tom Stone, thoughts?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/27/busin ... nears.html
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P.T.Widdle wrote:"Bills and coins now represent just 2 percent of Sweden’s economy, compared with 7.7 percent in the United States and 10 percent in the euro area. "
Tom Stone, thoughts?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/27/busin ... nears.html
It's very annoying when you've got a lot of cash and can't find a bank that handles cash. And I don't like that US credit card companies have got such large influence here, as they force stupid US morality and doublestandards upon us - like refusing to handle donations to Wikileaks, when they don't mind handle donations to K.K.K. Or, without explanation, prevent swedish customers from buying swedish sextoys from swedish webshops, because those things are considered "obscene" in the US.
But other than that, it is quite practical and convenient. Requires some selfcontrol though - for example, those who are bipolar are not enjoying this.
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Tom Stone wrote:Or, without explanation, prevent swedish customers from buying swedish sextoys from swedish webshops, because those things are considered "obscene" in the US.
Hmmm ... not sure if this is a case of too much information or not enough.
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brianarudolph wrote:Tom Stone wrote:Or, without explanation, prevent swedish customers from buying swedish sextoys from swedish webshops, because those things are considered "obscene" in the US.
Hmmm ... not sure if this is a case of too much information or not enough.
You probably need google or bing translate for this:
http://www.affarsvarlden.se/hem/article3580475.ece
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.as ... el=5342399
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Interesting article, PT.
I'm definitely in the minority in that I like paying cash whenever I can. I find it far too easy to break my budget if I rely on credit cards exclusively. Plus, it's nice to be able to just plunk down some cash and walk out of a restaurant without having to wait for busy servers to swipe my card.
I'm definitely in the minority in that I like paying cash whenever I can. I find it far too easy to break my budget if I rely on credit cards exclusively. Plus, it's nice to be able to just plunk down some cash and walk out of a restaurant without having to wait for busy servers to swipe my card.
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Very interesting. A big boon for banks and card companies because it means that every little transaction will now generate fees. I wonder if bitcoins are popular in Sweden.
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lybrary wrote:Very interesting. A big boon for banks and card companies because it means that every little transaction will now generate fees. I wonder if bitcoins are popular in Sweden.
That's a good point, Chris.
One thing I do like about the European/Asian card system is how they have had the chip/PIN system for years.
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What about the affect on magic, Tom? I imagine it's impractical to attempt to perform tricks with borrowed bills or coins anymore.
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P.T.Widdle wrote:What about the affect on magic, Tom? I imagine it's impractical to attempt to perform tricks with borrowed bills or coins anymore.
If I was Tom I would consider the elimination of coins and paper money in his country an asset and not a liability:
1. Coins are seldom borrowed in coin magic so this shouldn't be affected. Swedish magicians will do fine since I suspect that they perform coins thru the table, coins across, and transpositions with their own coins anyway as other magicians do all over the world.
2. Magic with paper money won't be affected much because the magi can still perform penetrations, changes, and transpositions with his own bills. They can be handed out for examination should the situation require this.
3. The elimination of coins and paper money can add to the presentational possibilities. The magi can introduce the coins or bills and explain that they were taken out of circulation because of inherent molecular instability. He can then segue into his routine with the coins or paper money.
4. Magic is an archaic art. If anyone in the audience perceives coins and paper money as old relics, so much the better. The is in keeping with the spirit of what magic is all about.
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many would disagree that the impact of magic is enhanced through the use of archaic objects. There is a different feelingful response had by an audience when seeing something extraordinary done with something ordinary, and seeing something extraordinary performed with something extraordinary. There is a reason lay people remember and speak years later of magic done with 'their ring' or 'their $100 bill'.
I likewise imagine that magic performed with a change bag was much more impressive to people who saw these objects taking collection at church each sunday and associated them with the commonplace than for those who have only ever seen them used by magicians at children's magic shows.
I likewise imagine that magic performed with a change bag was much more impressive to people who saw these objects taking collection at church each sunday and associated them with the commonplace than for those who have only ever seen them used by magicians at children's magic shows.
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P.T.Widdle wrote:What about the affect on magic, Tom? I imagine it's impractical to attempt to perform tricks with borrowed bills or coins anymore.
Given that Mr. Stone's remarkable books, Vortex and Maelstrom, contain only one effect that might be able to be done with a borrowed coin (and no bill tricks), I reckon Tom's amazing creativity would serve him in good stead in a cashless society.
However, PT, your point is very well-taken, as the less-gifted may not fare as well.
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I've never visited an Internet sex shop, but I can't imagine that a credit card company would turn down money for any items purchased from a legitimate business.
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Richard Kaufman wrote:I've never visited an Internet sex shop, but I can't imagine that a credit card company would turn down money for any items purchased from a legitimate business.
They don't, though the shop may be unwilling to ship to texas . . . er, em, so I've been told.
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If I understand the Google translation of the first article cited, it has more to do with MasterCard and Visa trying to avoid violating "international banking agreements" rather than forcing their own (or American, if you choose) morals upon the Swedish people.
America consistently and proudly displays its lack of moral standards to the whole world. Just watch television at night.
America consistently and proudly displays its lack of moral standards to the whole world. Just watch television at night.
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Richard Kaufman wrote:I've never visited an Internet sex shop, but I can't imagine that a credit card company would turn down money for any items purchased from a legitimate business.
Not only webshops, but actual stores for walk-in customers as well. All sorts of small stores have been forced out of business by the credit card companies' morality rules, despite being 100% legitimate, legal and unremarkable. The horror & cult film store "Skräckfilmsbutiken" offered movies that were almost impossible to find elsewhere, and it seems the main reason they were forced out of business was that they sold the movie "Anita" with the actors Christina Lindberg (known from "They Call Her One Eye") and Stellan Skarsgård ("The Hunt for Red October", "Good Will Hunting", "Nymphomaniac"). A pretty average 70's sexploatation flick. The sextoy shop justinejuliette.se is another place that got their payments blocked for almost a year, and almost went bankrupt.
So, while it is very practical to be cashless, it is also very unnerving to be in the claws of US antidemocratic companies that answers to no one.
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Bill Marquardt wrote:If I understand the Google translation of the first article cited, it has more to do with MasterCard and Visa trying to avoid violating "international banking agreements" rather than forcing their own (or American, if you choose) morals upon the Swedish people.
No, it's the opposite. In the cited example, all payment solutions was cancelled, in accordance to rules introduced and enforced by MasterCard and Visa. These rules are a part of their "international banking agreements", and for some reason they've added ethical concerns of a kind that makes absolutely no sense outside Beaumont Texas in those agreements.
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Tom wrote: "And I don't like that US credit card companies have got such large influence here, as they force stupid US morality and doublestandards upon us."
The words, "morality," and "US credit card companies," don't belong in the same sentence together. It's hard to imagine any person or entity that exemplifies immorality more than U.S. credit card companies (i.e. large banks). It is considered usury, a criminal offense in most every state to charge interest exceeding 10% on transactions. Under California law, for example, where 10% is the ceiling, it is actually a felony for a lender to "willfully" charge more than 10% interest. But guess who's exempt from these laws? Right. Banks that issue credit cards. I would say that is immoral, and the government obviously shares the guilt with the banks for letting them get away with it - you might say partners in "legal" crime. But I imagine the government reaps big tax revenues from the ill gotten gains of the banks (and then goes and squanders the money on yet another stupid war, leaving things far worse than they were before the intervention, and hard-working taxpayers to foot the bill). According to CNBC, America's current outstanding credit card debt is approximately $900 billion, with the average household's balance being $7,813. At interest rates of up to 25% per year, and many families and individuals unable to pay more than the minimum balance due each month, many will never get out from under this debt for the rest of their lives, and will just keep paying interest while never even making a dent in the principal amount borrowed. Now that's obscene.
The words, "morality," and "US credit card companies," don't belong in the same sentence together. It's hard to imagine any person or entity that exemplifies immorality more than U.S. credit card companies (i.e. large banks). It is considered usury, a criminal offense in most every state to charge interest exceeding 10% on transactions. Under California law, for example, where 10% is the ceiling, it is actually a felony for a lender to "willfully" charge more than 10% interest. But guess who's exempt from these laws? Right. Banks that issue credit cards. I would say that is immoral, and the government obviously shares the guilt with the banks for letting them get away with it - you might say partners in "legal" crime. But I imagine the government reaps big tax revenues from the ill gotten gains of the banks (and then goes and squanders the money on yet another stupid war, leaving things far worse than they were before the intervention, and hard-working taxpayers to foot the bill). According to CNBC, America's current outstanding credit card debt is approximately $900 billion, with the average household's balance being $7,813. At interest rates of up to 25% per year, and many families and individuals unable to pay more than the minimum balance due each month, many will never get out from under this debt for the rest of their lives, and will just keep paying interest while never even making a dent in the principal amount borrowed. Now that's obscene.
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Tom? There are companies like Epoch.com who will act as a payment agent for the porn industry.
So - you use your credit card to pay for porn. But the payment goes via Epoch.com - and that sidesteps any moral issues the major credit card companies may have.
I hope no company went bust because they didn't consider such a simple remedy.
So - you use your credit card to pay for porn. But the payment goes via Epoch.com - and that sidesteps any moral issues the major credit card companies may have.
I hope no company went bust because they didn't consider such a simple remedy.
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Joe Mckay wrote:Tom? There are companies like Epoch.com who will act as a payment agent for the porn industry.
So - you use your credit card to pay for porn. But the payment goes via Epoch.com - and that sidesteps any moral issues the major credit card companies may have.
I hope no company went bust because they didn't consider such a simple remedy.
Can a credit card chip reader be hooked up to a intermediary agent like that?
I don't think it's a valid option though - why should one business be forced to pay extra and appear needlessly shady, when it isn't required of the store next door? When it isn't required of Amazon, even when they sell the same items...
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Richard Kaufman wrote:I've never visited an Internet sex shop
I commend you Richard, for supporting your local brick and mortar shop.
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... or a brick and mortar sex shop, either. (Guess I had to add that.)
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Tom - I have only seen Epoch.com used on websites.
Not sure if there is a way to use it in an ordinary brick and mortar shop since 99.99% of porn is sold online.
Not sure if there is a way to use it in an ordinary brick and mortar shop since 99.99% of porn is sold online.
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This "moral standards" foofaraw is an excellent example of why "going cashless" is Not A Good Thing.
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Joe Mckay wrote:Not sure if there is a way to use it in an ordinary brick and mortar shop since 99.99% of porn is sold online.
Never seen porn in a sextoy shop, so I'm not sure your statistics are valid. For example, I've never bought toys online. I've always went with the person I've currently been dating to an actual shop, to be able to handle and compare the various gadgets. I think that is what most people prefer to do, rather than buying a pig in a poke online.
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hahaha: "a pig in a poke"!
I suggest that this discussion return to the possible effect of this subject of magic or we'll be done here.
I suggest that this discussion return to the possible effect of this subject of magic or we'll be done here.
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Here in Canada, we don't use currency. Commerce is effected by personal IOUs, trading bear skins and lying. We used to have something called the "Canadian dollar" but most of those have been used for insulating our cabins.