Originally posted by Doug Peters:
Originally posted by Jonathan Townsend:
What specifically leads you to believe there are phenomena outside the applicable realm of the sciences?
The hard problem of consciousness, for example (see Colin McGinn).
For those who feel left out:
I. The Hard Problem:
T.H.Huxley famously said How it is that anything so remarkable as a state of consciousness comes about as a result of irritating nervous tissue, is just as unaccountable as the appearance of Djin when Aladdin rubbed his lamp.[2] We do not see how to explain a state of consciousness in terms of its neurological basis. This is the Hard Problem of Consciousness.This looks similar to problem of how to know, be, do and know that you are knowing, what you are doing and how you are being all at the same time. IE how to manage multiple distinct SUBJECTIVE frames.
And agreed that we don't seem to have a way to manage this cross connect between the "what" of our knowledge of ourselves as measurable/observable and ourselves as experiential... even fast MRI scanners are starting to get some impressive and useful findings about where stuff seems to happen. :)
I was going to make a remark about your reply (as a meta-comment) but I figured you might not enjoy a joke about the meta-model and its applications (or the Milton model and its uses in advertising). ;)
One could well ask if things beyond science actually exist as measurable beyond their grammatical formulation. Or if states of knowing have utility to any creature we have not yet come across. A truly simple test for meaning is that of existence. Were a thing to exist, would it have meaning to us? Even if not, would it have meaning to anything we have seen or interacted with? From there we may be off into realms of the meaningless, which come to think of it may have its own category of Gdel coded statements. If one is the loneliest number, what is the most meaningless? :D
Pointing to Hofstadter and Bandler, who in turn point back to Gdel, Escher, Bach and Erickson and Chomsky... over to you.