David Alexander wrote:The best acts and the best shows all grew "organically."
Barefoot Boy wrote:Geller was a pioneer in Mentalism! Created a mold which stands to this day.
So, did Uri organically grow the mold he created?
Just curious.
JMD
David Alexander wrote:The best acts and the best shows all grew "organically."
Barefoot Boy wrote:Geller was a pioneer in Mentalism! Created a mold which stands to this day.
Jonathan Townsend wrote:Please, he did not create the mold. He pandered to it.
Richard Kaufman wrote:How about discussing the interview with Uri in Genii.
ori ashkenazy wrote:
I do however have a complaint to those who are responsible to keeping our art an honest one.
There are values that we as a society choose to live by. When people choose to call themselves magicians they are immediately defining themselves as actors playing a part - they are artists (no matter how much they stink or excell)
Would you consider giving the magic prize to a card hustler? no matter how perfect he is, I am sure you would consider your values in doing that. Or am I naive?
Lee Almond wrote:Guess there are people on this forum who praise this type of [censored]. Book a flight to Kansas and I will be more then glad to let folks here step in some.
I remember a story of two men who set out on a trip to Kansas once - to find a card hustler. I think many hold that up as an example of dedication to our art.
I assume that if we to subscribe to Ori's philosophy we should shun such characters - because to visit them, to support them, is only to encourage them to ply their trade on the unsuspecting. Center Deal, I will miss you most of all. Sorry!
How many books would vanish from our shelves - even DVDs, even?! Would our presentations have to change - lest we accidentally portray card hustling as attractive and send some innocent, sober child off on the path of pursuing ill gotten gain? Thanks Garnder/Marlo/Lorayne. I hope you sleep well at night.
Brad Henderson wrote:Of course, these same people will spooge all over themselves
Brad Henderson wrote:Of course, these same people will spooge all over themselves to sit down at the table of a crossroader who takes advantage of the gullible, separates the innocent from their money and preys on emotions (such as greed and desperation from financial need) to lead them to bad decisions.
Even some of these guys present mind reading type shows where they claim that they are accomplishing what they do through psychological techniques and other misrepresentations of the actual truth. These misrepresentation are packaged and sold to the public as answers to their social, emotional, and business problems. (Of course, these packages are not always sold by the same "entertainers" but they exist and their claims promote them.)
Why this hypocrisy? Well, magicians hate to be told they can't have access to something - but they LOVE to tell other they aren't allowed in the tree house.
Brad Henderson wrote:((Jonathan is cheating, his posts change after I reply - not fair. Not fair. It's all Uri's fault. He has led us down this road to ruin.)
Jonathan Townsend wrote:"Magic of Editing" ??
BS - very rarely do i change my intent about a post. I may fix a typo or add something like that quote and food review in the post above.
Some us had grandmothers who were proofreaders.
And some of use just like to criticize others. Some here can't even get "it up" far enough to address each other respectfully much less distinguish their inner dialog from what should be written much less posted in public. It's not spooge Steve, that presumes basic function, but it's not salivation either.
Steve Hook wrote:Brad Henderson wrote:Of course, these same people will spooge all over themselves
I beg your pardon?
Brad, is this really the best expression you could come up with? It seems inappropriate here.
Brad Henderson wrote:ori ashkenazy wrote:
I do however have a complaint to those who are responsible to keeping our art an honest one.
There are values that we as a society choose to live by. When people choose to call themselves magicians they are immediately defining themselves as actors playing a part - they are artists (no matter how much they stink or excell)
Would you consider giving the magic prize to a card hustler? no matter how perfect he is, I am sure you would consider your values in doing that. Or am I naive?
Lee Almond wrote:Guess there are people on this forum who praise this type of [censored]. Book a flight to Kansas and I will be more then glad to let folks here step in some.
I remember a story of two men who set out on a trip to Kansas once - to find a card hustler. I think many hold that up as an example of dedication to our art.
I assume that if we to subscribe to Ori's philosophy we should shun such characters - because to visit them, to support them, is only to encourage them to ply their trade on the unsuspecting. Center Deal, I will miss you most of all. Sorry!
How many books would vanish from our shelves - even DVDs, even?! Would our presentations have to change - lest we accidentally portray card hustling as attractive and send some innocent, sober child off on the path of pursuing ill gotten gain? Thanks Garnder/Marlo/Lorayne. I hope you sleep well at night.
Would I have to take The Sting and Cincinnati Kid out of my Net Flix cue? WE all know Hollywood is a corrupting agency, but this goes too far!!!
Of course, I could still watch Derren Brown or (more accurately) the slew of mentalists who have distanced themselves from claiming psychic powers but instead are using honest, forthright and very real psychological techniques (some even NLP) to produce their phenomena. Thankfully, there are many books and courses for sale (some very expensive, so you know they work) on these psychological skill sets, so I can learn to accomplish their demonstrations not through deception but through real, valid, scientifically tested techniques - not that hokum psychic stuff that Uri played with.
Thank god we have exited a generation of hypocrisy and entered a new era - a brighter era - of honest and socially responsible magic and mind reading.
Hear, hear.
Brad Henderson
Michael Kamen wrote:I think you make good points Brad, very worth discussing.
I would make a distinction between morality which is not necessarily the point here, and ethics which I feel is the point. My sense of the difference in these terms is that the first claims an external possibly even prudiush reference point, while the second aims to argue a position on merits that can be agreed upon by the conversationalists.
Ok, that aside is there a difference between watching dramas that are about hustlers, and actually hustling others? I think this is self evident and would ask you to show me why these are the same thing.
Then, you made the observation that many here hero worship Dai Vernon, who devoted much time and effort to tracking down and learning from hustlers. I would argue that Vernon did so to find new techniques to perform magic tricks intended to entertain, not hustle.
Brad Henderson wrote:Steve Hook wrote:Brad Henderson wrote:Of course, these same people will spooge all over themselves
I beg your pardon?
Brad, is this really the best expression you could come up with? It seems inappropriate here.
Ok. their censored will tighten and ejaculate will involuntarily shoot forth from their member to their pleasure and delight.
Diego wrote:Why Uri has gone in this direction, as well as his latest TV shows, is a puzzle,blurring the line that he had previously kept, apart from magicians...softening the persona/myth he had created.