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Who had first the idea to make a one-at-a-time assembly?

Posted: November 26th, 2011, 2:50 pm
by Philippe Noël
I thought it was Dai Vernon but in Card College Vol. 5 it is written on page 1239 that: "Lin Searles introduced the notion that the aces might travel singly".
Do you know where and when Lin Searles introduced the notion?

Re: Who had first the idea to make a one-at-a-time assembly?

Posted: November 26th, 2011, 11:04 pm
by jason156
I thought Lin Searles idea was to have the Aces a different color back from the indifferent cards?

Re: Who had first the idea to make a one-at-a-time assembly?

Posted: November 26th, 2011, 11:12 pm
by Richard Kaufman
That was my impression as well. These innovations took place decades apart, Vernon in New York City much earlier, the 1940s, doing a "slow-motion" assembly. I thought the Lin Searles idea of odd backed Aces was from the late 1950s.

Re: Who had first the idea to make a one-at-a-time assembly?

Posted: November 27th, 2011, 11:27 am
by Steve Bryant
Darwin Ortiz takes a rather wonderful stab at the history of all ace assemblies in The Annotated Erdnase. He credits Lin only with the different color backs idea, first appearing in "Ultimate Aces" in 1958. (It used gaffed cards, but he also included an ungaffed method.) According to the piece, Vernon first published his work on slow-motion four aces in the trick "Mobilizing the Aces" in Sphinx, Vol. 40 No. 1 (March 1941). He and Dr. Daley supposedly came up with over 60 variations.

Re: Who had first the idea to make a one-at-a-time assembly?

Posted: November 27th, 2011, 12:37 pm
by Philippe Billot
Over 60 variations?

Curious, I thought this was only the prerogative of Edward Marlo...

Re: Who had first the idea to make a one-at-a-time assembly?

Posted: November 27th, 2011, 1:30 pm
by Jonathan Townsend
Was there an assembly where you gave an ace and three x cards to each of four volunteers and then the audience picked (or some selection) one and that's who wound up with the all four aces?

Re: Who had first the idea to make a one-at-a-time assembly?

Posted: November 27th, 2011, 2:21 pm
by El Mystico
Philippe;

I think the difference was that Marlo published all his variations; Vernon published only his best.

I think The Anotated Erdnase is flawed; but one of the best guides we currently have to the history of card magic.
Along with Minch's from Witchcraft to Card tricks.

It's such a small area; but I'd love to see a collection of the various attempts at the one at a time aces effect.

Re: Who had first the idea to make a one-at-a-time assembly?

Posted: November 27th, 2011, 3:59 pm
by Philippe Noël
Hi El Mystico,

Here are some:

Vernon's Slow Motion Aces:
http://youtu.be/Hxvz7fbKEMI

Marlo's Bluff Ace Assembly:
http://youtu.be/cHYzwxXGBvk

O'Henry Ace Assembly:
http://youtu.be/tLWkLKAe6BE

Re: Who had first the idea to make a one-at-a-time assembly?

Posted: November 27th, 2011, 4:19 pm
by Philippe Billot
El Mystico wrote:Philippe;

I think the difference was that Marlo published all his variations; Vernon published only his best.



I know this story and I made simply a joke.

I appreciate Darwin Ortiz's Book and also T.A. Waters' Mind, Myth & Magick and Potter's Index and I think MagicPedia is becoming a good guide too.

Re: Who had first the idea to make a one-at-a-time assembly?

Posted: March 20th, 2017, 1:49 pm
by webbmaster
....I seem to remember a precursor to MacDonald's Aces in Hilliard's Lost Notebooks. Maybe take a look. I remember I found it interesting.

Re: Who had first the idea to make a one-at-a-time assembly?

Posted: March 20th, 2017, 2:47 pm
by Jonathan Townsend
webbmaster wrote:....I seem to remember a precursor to MacDonald's Aces in Hilliard's Lost Notebooks. Maybe take a look. I remember I found it interesting.


Is this about the gaffs? - Gregg, it's in Hofzinser's Card Conjuring - there was something using a newspaper and gaffs too in a journal.

Re: Who had first the idea to make a one-at-a-time assembly?

Posted: March 21st, 2017, 3:21 pm
by Philippe Billot
If someone owns The Dragon, Vol. 10, no. 8, August 1941, could he check if page 1 the trick Independent Aces by Oscar Weigle is a Slow Motion Assembly.

If so, I'll be very happy if he could send me a copy (of the trick, not the magazine!)

Thank in advance

Re: Who had first the idea to make a one-at-a-time assembly?

Posted: March 21st, 2017, 4:05 pm
by Richard Kaufman
Oscar lived in New York City, and hung out with the regulars. I would imagine (and David Ben could likely confirm this from letters in his possession) that Vernon was doing it prior to that date.

Re: Who had first the idea to make a one-at-a-time assembly?

Posted: March 21st, 2017, 5:23 pm
by Philippe Billot
I agree, Vernon described his trick Mobilizing the Aces in The Sphinx,January 1941.

I just want to compare the methods.