...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

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Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Postby El Harvey Oswald » August 3rd, 2011, 12:09 am

"pick a number between 32 and 42"

seems as if it loses a lot of its allure with a very rigged-sounding, un-round range like that. even though it's functionally "pick a number from one to ten," psychologically it's not, and it causes the same suspicion and dissonance as laborious spelling or counting effects, which lack the clean precision that is the essence of any card/any number

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Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Postby Yiyong » August 3rd, 2011, 12:25 am

Ok. I admit that this version has a major limitation. My best version employs a stooge; my wife! After a card is called, I ask her to name any number between 1 and 52. If I need her to name 37....I'll say "it can be 49 or 12 or 16 or 3...any number." all she has to do is remember the first two numbers and perform simple math (49-12=37).

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Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Postby Bill Duncan » August 3rd, 2011, 12:44 am

Alen wrote:...and now that the Berglas effect is out, what is the best ACAAN on the Market? Please, write also your reason.

Alen

The one Mike Close published in M-U-M recently. Except it's not on the market, because there's nothing to buy. You just need to practice it and be able to perform the method(s). It uses a combination of principles known to and practiced by most competent mentalists.

It's the first version I've read that makes me want to do the effect.

Reasons/Conditions:
1. One Deck, which can be used before and/or after the effect, and if desired left at the venue for no more than the cost of a standard pack.
2. Three participants decide the card and location, to eliminate the idea of a "helper" - one for the suit, one for the value, and a third for the number between 1 and 52. Each is given a business card to write their choice on AFTER the pack is placed in full view of the audience. The business cards can and should be left behind.
3. Magician does not know the suit, value, or position before the trick begins.
4. It has a wonderful hook for the presentation.
5. Once you have mastered the method(s) you will always be able to do the effect within a few minutes of purchasing a deck of cards.

I suspects most folks won't do it because the method will disappoint them. But then I also I suspect the current obsession with the ACAAN is because so many magic consumers are disappointed when they find out the secret to the trick:

It's a trick.

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Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Postby Simone M » August 3rd, 2011, 11:26 am

I think all this focus on method and conditions has kept magicians from thinking about the "magic moment" (to put in Berglas' words), hoping that the legendary status of the trick (which exists only in magicians' own head) and the impossible conditions required would make the trick magical for them.

With this (wrong!) premise, it's no wonder that there are people who still (wrongly!)think that an invisible deck is better than an Any Card at Any Number.

I don't think that, to the audience, it makes any difference if the deck is introduced before, during or after the card/number have been called, while it sounds just "strage" to narrow the number down to a so specific range - say, 33 to 47. For the same reason, toying with the deck at the right time looks more innocuous than dumping the cards from the box in an unnatural manner while all the heat is on the box etc etc. To me, it's more a matter of toying with the audience's head than toying with the devilish method.

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Postby Jonathan Townsend » August 3rd, 2011, 11:39 am

Simone M wrote:I think all this focus on method and conditions has kept magicians from thinking about the "magic moment" ...


IMHO only those who don't often perform. Those who are audience centric are (in my experience) concerned about finding items that will serve, be it working from table to table or for those special occasions where things can be set and the one performance has to leave a lasting impression.

Conditions that interest me (hey I am a magician too) are:
How portable
How much performer focus on the props required (nearsighted and harebrained here)
How repeatable/reset (can it be reset while being escorted to hosts table for command performance?)
How much dedicated prop setup space (pockets/jacket/table)
How much performing space (can be done at someone else's dinner table where space is scarce?)
How robust for angles and interruptions (people on sides, other tables, standing / people called over "hey you gotta see this!, let me see the cards...)
How much time does the audience need to appreciate the effect during and then after before they are ready for either more or simply to feel they've happily seen enough?

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Postby Ricky Difeo » September 9th, 2011, 2:04 pm

Hi!

Check these!!!

http://www.murphysmagic.com/Product.aspx?id=48143


My friend Roberto Mansilla is one incredible magic performer and now, He put the very best ACAAN in the market!! It is one product of ROBERTO MASILLA & VERNET MAGIC

This Is The Ultimate ANY CARD AT ANY NUMBER

Use ordinary deck
No deck switches
No Mnemonics
The spectator shuffles themselves the card
Any card and any number can be chosen

DVD with full explanations, comments and variations.

"Roberto has not only successfully stalked the Berglas's Effect, he has captured it. I still favor it among others floating around new."
- Jon Racherbaumer

"This is the version that you'll add to your repertoire. Completely impossible for the audience, perfectly practical for the magician."
- Jim Steinmeyer

"Roberto Mansilla's magic is intelligent and captivating, and so is his personal version of ACAAN. I like it, and you will, too."
- Roberto Giobbi

Enjoy

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Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Postby David Byron » September 9th, 2011, 2:21 pm

This one from Andrew Gerard is awfully purty. Not marketed, though, afaik.

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Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Postby mrgoat » September 9th, 2011, 2:40 pm

Surely that loony Italian's is the best?

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Postby Harry Lorayne » September 9th, 2011, 6:20 pm

Interesting - (well, maybe not!) but when I do my The Great Divide I always start with a quick talk about "control." I show the top card, name it, and then lose(?)it into the deck. As I shuffle I ask the spectator where he or she would like to see that card be "controlled" to - I usually (because of the way I word it - and if you like, and if you go to www.youtube.com/harrylorayneonvideo [I think] you can see the performance)get a fairly low number. This incidentally is my lead-in to The Great Divide because after this "front" piece I talk about controlling ALL the cards, etc.
Anyway, many years ago, long before the ACAAN popularity, one wiseguy in a group of about 20 people, said "38." Well, I just kept shuffling and talking (working that card to that position, with jog shuffles, straddle faros, whatever I needed - I had no choice). Finally, I said, "Sorry, I've been talking so much, and shuffling - too much, I'm afraid - that I forgot your number. Oh yes, thirty-eight. And what was that card I showed you? Oh, right, the four of hearts. Please count down...etc."
Jaws dropped! It took a bit away from The Great Divide, but not enough to matter. Anyway, just wanted to mention this any deck, no preparation, etc., ACAAN "method." Best - Harry L.

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Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Postby NickShear » September 24th, 2011, 5:23 pm

I'm just getting back into magic after a long hiatus, and came across the ad for Mansilla's Eureka ACAAN at Hocus Pocus.

Does anyone know anything about it aside from the dealer writeup?

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Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Postby Richard Kaufman » September 24th, 2011, 5:30 pm

If you want the best method, learn the original from David Berglas. It's difficult, but very good.

Failing that, Marc Paul's "Affected by Berglas" is excellent.

Finally, Asi Wind's method in his lecture notes (with DVD), Chapter One, is very good.

Most of the methods that people are selling are CRAP. They're just kids diddling themselves into a frenzy and have nothing to do with performing miracles in the real world.
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Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Postby Yiyong » December 16th, 2011, 1:28 am

Richard Kaufman wrote:I've just purchased the item directly from the inventor, whose name is Tommaso Guglielmi.

I'll report further when it arrives (within 24 hours, so says the web page).


Hi Richard,

I'm still hoping to get a review from you! Unless it's so terrible that you can't bring yourself to do so.

Again, I love your book, but my favorite ACAAN has become REBORN by John Born. Deck is in full view, spectator names a card and names a number. I do some calculations and it's all in the dump which requires serious practice. But it's very direct.

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Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Postby Yiyong » December 16th, 2011, 1:42 am

Richard Kaufman wrote:If you want the best method, learn the original from David Berglas. It's difficult, but very good.

Failing that, Marc Paul's "Affected by Berglas" is excellent.

Finally, Asi Wind's method in his lecture notes (with DVD), Chapter One, is very good.

Most of the methods that people are selling are CRAP. They're just kids diddling themselves into a frenzy and have nothing to do with performing miracles in the real world.



Sorry, but Berglas' method is not so practical. I know you'll disagree.

Marc Paul's version uses a deck that is not examinable.

Asi Wind's method is avariaration of the Flip Shift which does not look natural.

Alain Nu and John Born's mehtods are far from being feces.

All right, perhaps Subtle Scam is a huge piece of CRAP!

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Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Postby Yiyong » December 23rd, 2011, 4:16 pm

A review of Subtle Scam would be greatly appreciated! :)

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Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Postby mrgoat » December 24th, 2011, 3:54 am

Please, please, please just go away you mentalist.

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Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Postby Q. Kumber » December 24th, 2011, 8:57 am

The Berglas version is very practical for David Berglas, so much so that it has become legend.

But regardless of who has the best version, I can modestly announce that I have the most enetertaining version - at least of any version I've come across.

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Postby Richard Kaufman » December 24th, 2011, 11:04 am

I look forward to seeing your version, Quentin!

I don't think the Berglas version is practical only for Berglas.
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Postby mrgoat » December 24th, 2011, 12:22 pm

As a special Christmas treat, I shall repost my awesome version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3NYo4GzZvc

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Postby Q. Kumber » December 24th, 2011, 1:22 pm

Most magicians think of David's routine as an isolated effect. It is - in my opinion - part of a sophisticated structure, that is only revealed at the opportune time (the routine, not the structure).

A few years ago I had the privelege of introducing Juan Tamariz for his midnight show at the IBM Eastbourne convention. His final routine was simply amazing and elicited a reaction from the magicians of total incredulity and disbelief.

Thinking it over for days afterwards, I realised that the method, although simple, was quite complex in its execution and part of it was the set-up of the room at the beginning of the show. And that was only one tiny detail.

When you comapre David's methods with Tamariz's you realise that there is a much greater canvas than simply doing tricks. There is a depth (to paraphrase Max) "that is of terrifying beauty".

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Postby Richard Kaufman » December 24th, 2011, 3:31 pm

David and Juan work in sometimes very similar ways. I saw this a few weeks ago when watching Juan perform at FISM Asia in Hong Kong.

However, David's handling of The Berglas Effect is something he can and will do at any time--even if challenged. While when he does performs the portion of his stage show with cards The Berglas Effect can (one, two, or even three times!) become part of a more sophisticated overall structure, there are other times when he's working one on one when he'll just do it. BAM! He's extremely wily, with an incredible memory, very quick-witted, and is willing to take huge risks. And, like Juan, he is very good at erasing the spectator's memory of seemingly inconsequential actions.

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Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Postby Anod » December 31st, 2011, 6:45 am

My opinion,he best acaan what sold till today is the Macaan from Max Krause.Yesterday i have that and that is the VERY CLEAN acaan,don't need forcing the cards,don't need cutting the deck,dont need memorize the deck,the only thing you need to know is the counting to 1-6.I highly recommend to everyone.The killer part of this trick when you conting the cards FACE UP.(is also possible to hide things from the modern public, this is the perfect way to old ACAAN)

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Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Postby Anod » December 31st, 2011, 6:49 am

*(is also possible to hide that "modern" thing from the public, this is the perfect way to old ACAAN)

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Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Postby teeta » July 8th, 2016, 2:21 pm

On the bottom of page 82 of Mnemonica for the classic acaan, it says to subtract 8 from 53. Shouldn't it be 8 from 52? When I subtract from 53, I'm always 1 card off.

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Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Postby performer » July 8th, 2016, 7:47 pm

Good God! Are you all still discussing that daft trick? I shall never for the life of me be able to figure out what is so wonderful about it. It is a good card trick but there are thousands of equally good card tricks. I must be missing something somewhere..................


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