Sylvia Browne - Real or Fake?
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She's a real cold reader!
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I've never understood how a bright guy like Montel Williams insists on having her do his show repeatedly. I've always found her to be completely without charm, which, one would think, is a necessary ingredient for someone in her line of work.
David Suskind, who was no fool, had one of the worst "psychics" I've ever seen on his show years ago. She was wrong nearly all the time in what she said about people, but Suskind simply couldn't stop talking about how wonderful she was.
David Suskind, who was no fool, had one of the worst "psychics" I've ever seen on his show years ago. She was wrong nearly all the time in what she said about people, but Suskind simply couldn't stop talking about how wonderful she was.
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Does nobody else find her 'readings' more dangerous than others? Brown has the habit of naming specific information to people that are despretely seeking it. And I don't mean comforting grieving loved ones.
She often will tell someone "John Brown killed your wife, look for a man named John Brown." or "You have cancer and if the doctors say you are ok I'm sorry, you're not."
Calling specific people murderers and naming specific locations of dead bodies as well as diagnosing exact illness is all very impressive on television but I wonder how this really impacts these people's lives. Has anyone else noticed this about her?
She often will tell someone "John Brown killed your wife, look for a man named John Brown." or "You have cancer and if the doctors say you are ok I'm sorry, you're not."
Calling specific people murderers and naming specific locations of dead bodies as well as diagnosing exact illness is all very impressive on television but I wonder how this really impacts these people's lives. Has anyone else noticed this about her?
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I received info on Sylvia's new material just yesterday. Check it out. Interesting reading.
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Sylvia Browne is the Judge Judy of psychics, only without Judy's charm and wit. ;)
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Thank you for all the comments. I wasn't sure anyone would even respond.
Sylvia Browne is so matter-of-fact that she's different and perhaps more convincing than most so-called "psychics". I guess what I was asking is....
Are there any REAL psychics? And, is there really such a thing as ghosts? RK says "no" and I tend to believe him. But, as magicians, we are the ultimate skeptics. I still wonder. We are so busy duplicating paranormal activities that I wonder if we're missing out on the real thing if, in fact, it exists.
Robert McDaniel
Sylvia Browne is so matter-of-fact that she's different and perhaps more convincing than most so-called "psychics". I guess what I was asking is....
Are there any REAL psychics? And, is there really such a thing as ghosts? RK says "no" and I tend to believe him. But, as magicians, we are the ultimate skeptics. I still wonder. We are so busy duplicating paranormal activities that I wonder if we're missing out on the real thing if, in fact, it exists.
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Also... if she is a fake (which, apparently she is) how can she live with herself? It's criminal.
So, are there any real psychics out there? And ghosts?
My grandparents lived in Moberly Mo. They died about 20 years ago. We visited the house they lived in recently and the woman and her sons, who live there now, swear that the house is haunted.
The sons are afraid to sleep upstairs and the woman says she saw a man crawling on his hands and knees across the floor upstairs, and that's the last time they went up there.
I mean... is this all [censored]? Just wondering.
Thanks,
Robert
So, are there any real psychics out there? And ghosts?
My grandparents lived in Moberly Mo. They died about 20 years ago. We visited the house they lived in recently and the woman and her sons, who live there now, swear that the house is haunted.
The sons are afraid to sleep upstairs and the woman says she saw a man crawling on his hands and knees across the floor upstairs, and that's the last time they went up there.
I mean... is this all [censored]? Just wondering.
Thanks,
Robert
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>> Also... if she is a fake (which, apparently she is) how can she live with herself? It's criminal.
Oh she's very much a fake - and I think a dangerous one. Check out James Randi's site (http://www.randi.org/sylvia/index.shtml) for a few hard facts.
If you still have _any_ doubts about her capabilities after you have read just a little of the material there .... well I have a parcel of Florida real-estate that might interest you.
Oh she's very much a fake - and I think a dangerous one. Check out James Randi's site (http://www.randi.org/sylvia/index.shtml) for a few hard facts.
If you still have _any_ doubts about her capabilities after you have read just a little of the material there .... well I have a parcel of Florida real-estate that might interest you.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ryan Matney:
[QB] Does nobody else find her 'readings' more dangerous than others? Brown has the habit of naming specific information to people that are despretely seeking it. And I don't mean comforting grieving loved ones.
I think your right on with this. Her readings do seem to be a little more edgy or 'negative' than other TV psychics. I saw a young woman ask her if she was going to find true love/a husband and she said 'No, you'll be alone a long, long time'. Not what you would normally expect.
Someone above asked why Montel has her on all the time - thats easy - she gets ratings and appeals to his demographic. If he were to question her authenticity he would most likely lose veiwers.
Oh, and my vote - fake, all the way fake. However, she is great with the medical stuff (from a reading perspective.)
Chris
[QB] Does nobody else find her 'readings' more dangerous than others? Brown has the habit of naming specific information to people that are despretely seeking it. And I don't mean comforting grieving loved ones.
I think your right on with this. Her readings do seem to be a little more edgy or 'negative' than other TV psychics. I saw a young woman ask her if she was going to find true love/a husband and she said 'No, you'll be alone a long, long time'. Not what you would normally expect.
Someone above asked why Montel has her on all the time - thats easy - she gets ratings and appeals to his demographic. If he were to question her authenticity he would most likely lose veiwers.
Oh, and my vote - fake, all the way fake. However, she is great with the medical stuff (from a reading perspective.)
Chris
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"The sons are afraid to sleep upstairs and the woman says she saw a man crawling on his hands and knees across the floor upstairs, and that's the last time they went up there. "
She might have a homeless guy living up there rent free!
I wonder if his name might be Occam
She might have a homeless guy living up there rent free!
I wonder if his name might be Occam
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As a licensed Real Estate Salesperson in the State of Florida, I can assist both of you in the transaction. We can even do some card stuff after the closing.Originally posted by JonP:
well I have a parcel of Florida real-estate that might interest you.
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I predict that this thread will eventually have to be locked by the heavy-handed, anti-free speech, politically correct (my favorite of all the things that I have been called), rat-bastard, cowardly moderator.
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She seems real enough as a creature, though why people want to believe the things she says is another matter entirely.
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Ok I' ve got a theory about psychics and I dont know; just a thought... I believe all psychics believe they are for real. I dont think they' re out to cheat anybody on purpose... Actually some probably do, as with anything else. I but believe, in general, they say what they feel about certain things when they' re beeing asked questions. BUT those feelings are just that; feelings. They dont know for sure, they dont have any special powers. Theyre deluding themselves. They are cold readers without knowing it. They think their answers are coming from a higher power when in fact, they' re just following their instincts. They' re good psychologists and that's it. When they happen to get lucky on something, they think theyre great psychics. Just a thought.
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I kinda disagree with SebastianTalbot: I believe Psychics know exactly what they're doing and why. It's a job....a profession....an act(?). The one thing that they are superb at is reading people. Whether they know it's called "cold-reading" or not it doesn't matter. They respond to the person asking a question exactly as the questioner wants.
Have you ever heard someone ask a psychic "Did my spouse suffer when he died?" and hear the psychic respond "Yes....he/she was in extreme agony and was in terrible pain."
Ain't ever gonna happen. Psychics tell people what people want to hear and as long as there are folks who believe....they'll be psychics.
Obviously I'm not a big fan of them.
Adrian
Have you ever heard someone ask a psychic "Did my spouse suffer when he died?" and hear the psychic respond "Yes....he/she was in extreme agony and was in terrible pain."
Ain't ever gonna happen. Psychics tell people what people want to hear and as long as there are folks who believe....they'll be psychics.
Obviously I'm not a big fan of them.
Adrian
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Ol' Sylvia's 'church' is a few minutes away so I've met folks who are into her. Unfortunately my wife is a true believer in her nonsense. She sells lots of materials at her church (spiritus novus or something like that), I mean A LOT. If someone bites hard they can spend several thousand bucks just on getting the info. She also does phone things for several hundred a shot as does her son.
If there are any real psychics they've yet to show themselves.
And folks best stop callin' Dustin names.
Steve V
If there are any real psychics they've yet to show themselves.
And folks best stop callin' Dustin names.
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If you're not familiar with Randi's web site, check out the following on his challenge to Sylvia.
http://www.randi.org/sylvia/index.shtml
Terry
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I agree to a point with sebastiantalbot: I think a good number of these people actually believe they have a gift. Whether or not they do is up for you to decide.
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Oh yeah some believe it, no doubt. Some mentalist start to believe they have powers.
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I've seen Sylvia Brown on Montel, various times. And although I found her persona annoying, she was otherwise astounding
Then I heard two tapes of her at the learning annex. On two separate occasions
She got nothing right!
There seems to be something of the combination ofher and Montell that brings out the psychic :p
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Then I heard two tapes of her at the learning annex. On two separate occasions
She got nothing right!
There seems to be something of the combination ofher and Montell that brings out the psychic :p
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Whoops. Not quite.Originally posted by Richard Kaufman:
Well, let's see.
Are there real ghosts?
No.
Are there people who can really read minds and talk to the dead?
No.
End of story.
Are there real ghosts?
Not that we've seen.
Are there people who can really read minds and talk to the dead?
Not that we've been able to prove.
The problem is that "faith" is not "science". What people choose to believe has nothing to do with petty "logic" or "evidence" or "data". And what they want and need to believe has even less. And even still, if you descend your science as far as you can go, down to the quantum level, you hit a point where the guy in the lab coat shrugs his shoulders and say, "Hey, just take my word for it, okay?"
What's the old joke about the logician and whomever on a train who see a flock of sheep? Whomever says, "Those sheep have recently been shorn."
The logician says, "...On the side we can see, anyway."
Now imagine arguing that about a photograph of sheep.
And yet, we know she's faking. We know they all do. We can duplicate every manuever and hit the information with more accuracy and even, G-d willing, make it entertainment. But the same thing we all love about all this audience pumping and fishing and cold reading is exactly the same thing that bimbos like this (and they're all bimbos, including Van Praagh and Edwards) hide behind: there's no evidence. None. Nothing to point to to reveal. No curtain to swipe away, no real knots to tie, no soot to sprinkle on the tambourine. It's our word against theirs every single time. And THAT'S the end of story. Sucks, doesn't it?
I think that every single one of these <insert juicy derogatory epithet here> deserves a hard kick in the neck. And I think if there IS a G-d of this nature, he should quit pissing about with these twits and bless me with a perfect center deal. Priorities, you know...
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Wait, wait, soo what you're saying is, we're not allowed to say God??
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Sorry, Tony, like I said: End of Story.
As for Glenn's comment: we do not censor the word "god." It was the poster's choice to type "g-d."
As for Glenn's comment: we do not censor the word "god." It was the poster's choice to type "g-d."
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Wow, gee, thanks, Richard. I never realized faith is so unnecessary and superfluous. You should call together a summit of all the religious leaders in the world and explain to them, in detail, your "End of story" theory of how the world works. I'm sure they'd thank you for saving them from wasting their lives.Originally posted by Richard Kaufman:
Sorry, Tony, like I said: End of Story.
As for Glenn's comment: we do not censor the word "god." It was the poster's choice to type "g-d."
And let me know if anyone comes around this board talking nonsense about what "real magic" looks like. You know, like using the pass or something. Please direct them to my e-mail address and I'll set them straight for you. "No such thing; end of story."
In fact, everybody reading this, stop wasting your time with this "magic and illusion" stuff. No such thing. So there's nothing for you to try to emulate, imitate, or approximate. End of story.
How many people who get pissed off at fake psychics are upset because they've actually thought about the issues and concepts at stake, and how many are just throwing tantrums because these schmucks are generating more attention and better reactions with "magic" than they are?
Richard, you've accomplished a lot in this field. I know you've got some scholarly thought in you; I've read your heavily detailed arguements on the Immediate Bottom Placement and the Invisible Palm. Give me something else to work with other than "End of story." Please.
Respectfully yours,
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Tony, out of curiosity, what part of "end of story" rubbed you the wrong way?Originally posted by AntonioMCabral:
Richard, you've accomplished a lot in this field. I know you've got some scholarly thought in you; I've read your heavily detailed arguements on the Immediate Bottom Placement and the Invisible Palm. Give me something else to work with other than "End of story." Please.
Are you suggesting that, generally, a belief in an Almighty God is on the same level as a belief in ghosts or mind reading? That's not been my experience.
It's been my experience that one of the reasons mystery entertainment "works" is because the plausability of what's demonstrated is at least accepted as a possibility, however remote it may be. On the other hand, I've found that belief in God is, for the most part, an either/or -- those who sit on the fence are far outnumbered by those on either side of it.
I don't believe in ghosts and I don't believe one person can read another person's mind. What I believe is that we, as mystery entertainers, can satiate our audience's desire to demonstrate that it remains at least a possibility. At least, that's from the entertainment end of things. There are people I call frauds who overtly claim to do these things.
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Three points:
I don't know if I believe in ghosts, but I did see one once.
God is a generic word used by every civilization/tribe to describe the being(s) they believed to be more powerful than them, or in some way held control over them, or guided their destiny.
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I don't know if I believe in ghosts, but I did see one once.
God is a generic word used by every civilization/tribe to describe the being(s) they believed to be more powerful than them, or in some way held control over them, or guided their destiny.
Now is a very good time to buy real estate in Florida.
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I actually feel bad for real psychics. They must suffer some sort of weird, cosmic statistical deficiency. Think about it, they have to use psychic powers to bump themselves up to the level of predictive ability that the rest of us have based on statistics alone.
Without their psychic powers, these poor individuals would only be correctly calling coin flips 1/4 of the time. Their "think a card" tricks would only be miracles 1 in every 104 times.
These people don't deserve our ire, they deserve our sympathy. Oh, and money...also our money.
Without their psychic powers, these poor individuals would only be correctly calling coin flips 1/4 of the time. Their "think a card" tricks would only be miracles 1 in every 104 times.
These people don't deserve our ire, they deserve our sympathy. Oh, and money...also our money.
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Is "spiritualism" a religion, and if so is it afforded the same protections and respect as other religions?
I don't know what to say about the possible therapeutic use of those beliefs. Closure is much desired, though also feared.
Or where to draw a line between entertainment/amusement and the more serious matters of faith. I do not condone dressing as a catholic priest to present "glorpy" nor the use of conjuring to sway matters of faith. Perhaps Robert-Houdin was not helping the locals when he demonstrated that western magic was stronger than local trickery and thus liberated them from local leaders so they could find a place in western civilization.
This question is exactly what Reginald Scot addressed with his book, Discoverie of Witchcraft, long ago. It seems that some of book outside the eighty pages of conjuring how-to is relevant today as well. He suggested that we stay on the entertainment side, and leave matters of faith and belief to other professions. It may well be that the position of shaman does not exist in our society, as we have become too diverse a culture to fully merge our beliefs and knowledge about ourselves, our neighbors and the rest of existence.
About these other professions...what happens when we cross over into their turf? Surely we have some significant communications skills to offer. However, just going into their ritual space with our special effects might not be advisable. What would it mean to sacrifice a chicken to find a selected card? Or to find a second selected card in the entrails of the sacrificed animal? How close is that trick where a burn appears on the performer's skin to spell out the name of a card, to the scene in The Exorcist where writing seems to appear from inside the possessed child? How close is the trick Chris Angel did on his special where he cut himself open to find a coin, to the imagery in the Cronenberg film Videodrome?
Questions. Lots of questions.
I don't know what to say about the possible therapeutic use of those beliefs. Closure is much desired, though also feared.
Or where to draw a line between entertainment/amusement and the more serious matters of faith. I do not condone dressing as a catholic priest to present "glorpy" nor the use of conjuring to sway matters of faith. Perhaps Robert-Houdin was not helping the locals when he demonstrated that western magic was stronger than local trickery and thus liberated them from local leaders so they could find a place in western civilization.
This question is exactly what Reginald Scot addressed with his book, Discoverie of Witchcraft, long ago. It seems that some of book outside the eighty pages of conjuring how-to is relevant today as well. He suggested that we stay on the entertainment side, and leave matters of faith and belief to other professions. It may well be that the position of shaman does not exist in our society, as we have become too diverse a culture to fully merge our beliefs and knowledge about ourselves, our neighbors and the rest of existence.
About these other professions...what happens when we cross over into their turf? Surely we have some significant communications skills to offer. However, just going into their ritual space with our special effects might not be advisable. What would it mean to sacrifice a chicken to find a selected card? Or to find a second selected card in the entrails of the sacrificed animal? How close is that trick where a burn appears on the performer's skin to spell out the name of a card, to the scene in The Exorcist where writing seems to appear from inside the possessed child? How close is the trick Chris Angel did on his special where he cut himself open to find a coin, to the imagery in the Cronenberg film Videodrome?
Questions. Lots of questions.
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Let me clarify:
So-called psychic mediums are people who take theatrical tools and prey upon people with genuine emotional and spiritual needs on the false pretenses of being able to speak to the dead and read minds. This, I believe.
I also understand that people who have these genuine emotional and spiritual needs are not wrong for having them. I'm a non-religious liturgical musician for a Catholic chapel. I've seen more than I care to of bereaved people who have been traumatized by the death of a loved one and who need closure and consolation that speaks to their beliefs about the universe, e.g. a genuine belief in souls, spirits, heaven, etc. I would never presume to walk up to someone and attempt to explain to them that, since science has never been able to prove or define what a soul is, there's no such thing, and there's no such thing as heaven, so don't worry about it, and the thing over there in the casket that looks like your six-year-old son is just a lifeless meat-puppet now, but, hey, sorry for your loss. There's skepticism and then there's thoughtlessness.
Nor would I presume to put on a sock puppet and say, "Mommy, mommy!! It's me and I love you and I always did and always will!! I kiss the boo-boo and make it better!!" And then sell them the sock puppet. Because that's exactly what these censored psychics (read: piss-poor mentalists) accomplish. No more, no less.
To say "No such thing. End of story," is a lovely commentary on the latter and a perfect example of the former. To claim to be "on the side of the bereaved" when we poop on the mediums and then be so disrespectful as to say to the bereaved "...and the reason why I know she's a fake is that there's no such thing as heaven!!" is too cloddish for words. And we wonder why people keep flocking to spiritualists and don't listen to us after hundreds of years.
With all due respect, "No such thing. End of story" is arrogant and disrespectful of the very people we purport to "help" when we "unmask" one of these twits. Spiritualism isn't about fraudulent mediums, and it isn't about the magicians who know how it's done. It's about sad people.
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So-called psychic mediums are people who take theatrical tools and prey upon people with genuine emotional and spiritual needs on the false pretenses of being able to speak to the dead and read minds. This, I believe.
I also understand that people who have these genuine emotional and spiritual needs are not wrong for having them. I'm a non-religious liturgical musician for a Catholic chapel. I've seen more than I care to of bereaved people who have been traumatized by the death of a loved one and who need closure and consolation that speaks to their beliefs about the universe, e.g. a genuine belief in souls, spirits, heaven, etc. I would never presume to walk up to someone and attempt to explain to them that, since science has never been able to prove or define what a soul is, there's no such thing, and there's no such thing as heaven, so don't worry about it, and the thing over there in the casket that looks like your six-year-old son is just a lifeless meat-puppet now, but, hey, sorry for your loss. There's skepticism and then there's thoughtlessness.
Nor would I presume to put on a sock puppet and say, "Mommy, mommy!! It's me and I love you and I always did and always will!! I kiss the boo-boo and make it better!!" And then sell them the sock puppet. Because that's exactly what these censored psychics (read: piss-poor mentalists) accomplish. No more, no less.
To say "No such thing. End of story," is a lovely commentary on the latter and a perfect example of the former. To claim to be "on the side of the bereaved" when we poop on the mediums and then be so disrespectful as to say to the bereaved "...and the reason why I know she's a fake is that there's no such thing as heaven!!" is too cloddish for words. And we wonder why people keep flocking to spiritualists and don't listen to us after hundreds of years.
With all due respect, "No such thing. End of story" is arrogant and disrespectful of the very people we purport to "help" when we "unmask" one of these twits. Spiritualism isn't about fraudulent mediums, and it isn't about the magicians who know how it's done. It's about sad people.
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The story goes on. For each of us. We live in our own stories. How we connect our stories with each other and the world at large is close to the core of being human.Originally posted by AntonioMCabral:
..."No such thing. End of story" ...
The theme of stories told by the hearth comes back to us often in more thoughtful literature. It seems a useful metaphor for internal and social discourse. From The Canterbury Tales to the last issue of Alan Moore's Promethea the image stays with us. It seems to mean something to many of us.
Some step away when certain topics come up in discussion. Sometimes this is because we find ourselves too far inside the story to be comfortable discussing it. Sometimes we feel too far outside the story to find comfort. These things happen when we become aware that we live our own stories, and sometimes need to find our way in them. The topics and questions remain vital to both the stories and the listeners.
When does someone's story begin?
When does someone's story end?
And for the brave... who's telling your story?
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Tony:Originally posted by AntonioMCabral:
Spiritualism isn't about fraudulent mediums, and it isn't about the magicians who know how it's done. It's about sad people.
While I agree with some of what you have said -- especially concerning the topic of arrogance -- I disagree with your characterization of spiritualism. It's not only about fraudulent mediums, magicians, or sad people. I have known a few spiritualists and they are happy, intelligent, and sincere believers in a faith that is as genuine as any other organized religion.
It is stupid to think anyone -- especially a freakin' magician -- could have the final word on the validity of any religious concept or belief system. That kind of arrogance leads to a particularly dangerous form of venom known as intolerance.
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Re: Sylvia Browne - Real or Fake?
Joe,
When I say "sad people", I mean the grieving. The people who are despairing and need help. Watch the first episode of Penn and Teller's "[censored]!!" and listen to the part where Penn talks about the people who miss their loved ones and what he needed when his mother died, and why mind-reading tricks just won't cut it. That's the first time I've ever heard that part of the issue addressed in one of these "debunk the medium" forays. That's what I meant by it's not about "us" vs. "them". It's a bunch of magicians who forgot their audience for the umpteenth time.
-Tony
When I say "sad people", I mean the grieving. The people who are despairing and need help. Watch the first episode of Penn and Teller's "[censored]!!" and listen to the part where Penn talks about the people who miss their loved ones and what he needed when his mother died, and why mind-reading tricks just won't cut it. That's the first time I've ever heard that part of the issue addressed in one of these "debunk the medium" forays. That's what I meant by it's not about "us" vs. "them". It's a bunch of magicians who forgot their audience for the umpteenth time.
-Tony
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Re: Sylvia Browne - Real or Fake?
Hey, NO ONE CAN TALK TO THE DEAD.
Anyone who believes he or she can needs to see a shrink.
Anyone who pays someone else to talk to their dead relatives needs to have their finances controlled by someone else.
Anyone who believes he or she can needs to see a shrink.
Anyone who pays someone else to talk to their dead relatives needs to have their finances controlled by someone else.
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Re: Sylvia Browne - Real or Fake?
WARNING: Long Post!!!
Robert McDaniel asked:
"So, are there any real psychics out there? And ghosts?"
I have something to throw out there:
I am NOT a psychic and I DO NOT have special powers and I NEVER TELL anyone that I do.
Now, here's a couple of things I've observed.
When the other person strongly believe that I do have special powers (because of the tricks I'm doing seem to show that I'm reading their mind), things start to change...
One day I was doing some card tricks for a woman and she was 100% sure that I was reading her mind. SHe was so psyched up that my tricks were just flowing so easy and smooth. I was "in the zone."
She asked me how I did it and I told her that I just "relax and let it come to me..."
At this point I tried an experiment. I asked her to pick up the deck of cards, shuffle them and turn them over quickly one at a time withouot showing me.
As she did that I quickly guessed, "RED, BLACK, BLACK, RED..." I did about 4 or five in a row and got them ALL RIGHT!
Now, you explain to me how this happened, 'cause I sure don't know.
I've had a couple of experiences like that with spectators that are really into it an seem to believe that it's all real magic.
Maybe being in the right frame of mind (being in the same "mental wavelength") helps, but I don't know...
I do know that the factors that help this kind of thing are that 1. the person believes that I'm really reading her mind, and 2. I have to "be in the Zone" which means I just go for it and I don't care if I get it right or not. Just go with it and say the first thing that comes to my head.
Another day I was chatting online with someone. I had never seen any member of his family. I started chatting with his sister, (whom I'd never met or seen before) and decided to try an experiment...
I started winging it and ended up describing her, (hair length, color, clothes, etc. -- I got the clear mental picture of a black T-Shirt with white letters on it and she said she had a ble t-shirt. But then she said that her mother was standing behind her reading over her shoulder and she was wearing a Black T-Shirt with Ahite Letters on it!
One time I lost the selected card and just guessed it. Thinking I would miss and then say, "OK, let's try it again..." But I got it right!
Now, I've only done it a couple of times and only when the two factors metioned above were met.
Has anyone had anything like this happen?
Fire away!
Robert McDaniel asked:
"So, are there any real psychics out there? And ghosts?"
I have something to throw out there:
I am NOT a psychic and I DO NOT have special powers and I NEVER TELL anyone that I do.
Now, here's a couple of things I've observed.
When the other person strongly believe that I do have special powers (because of the tricks I'm doing seem to show that I'm reading their mind), things start to change...
One day I was doing some card tricks for a woman and she was 100% sure that I was reading her mind. SHe was so psyched up that my tricks were just flowing so easy and smooth. I was "in the zone."
She asked me how I did it and I told her that I just "relax and let it come to me..."
At this point I tried an experiment. I asked her to pick up the deck of cards, shuffle them and turn them over quickly one at a time withouot showing me.
As she did that I quickly guessed, "RED, BLACK, BLACK, RED..." I did about 4 or five in a row and got them ALL RIGHT!
Now, you explain to me how this happened, 'cause I sure don't know.
I've had a couple of experiences like that with spectators that are really into it an seem to believe that it's all real magic.
Maybe being in the right frame of mind (being in the same "mental wavelength") helps, but I don't know...
I do know that the factors that help this kind of thing are that 1. the person believes that I'm really reading her mind, and 2. I have to "be in the Zone" which means I just go for it and I don't care if I get it right or not. Just go with it and say the first thing that comes to my head.
Another day I was chatting online with someone. I had never seen any member of his family. I started chatting with his sister, (whom I'd never met or seen before) and decided to try an experiment...
I started winging it and ended up describing her, (hair length, color, clothes, etc. -- I got the clear mental picture of a black T-Shirt with white letters on it and she said she had a ble t-shirt. But then she said that her mother was standing behind her reading over her shoulder and she was wearing a Black T-Shirt with Ahite Letters on it!
One time I lost the selected card and just guessed it. Thinking I would miss and then say, "OK, let's try it again..." But I got it right!
Now, I've only done it a couple of times and only when the two factors metioned above were met.
Has anyone had anything like this happen?
Fire away!
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Re: Sylvia Browne - Real or Fake?
I think the technical term for this is "coincidence." On the other hand, doing it consistently is called "Out of This World."Originally posted by m3nta1:
Now, you explain to me how this happened, 'cause I sure don't know.
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Re: Sylvia Browne - Real or Fake?
Actually talking to the dead is easyOriginally posted by Richard Kaufman:
Hey, NO ONE CAN TALK TO THE DEAD.
Anyone who believes he or she can needs to see a shrink.
Anyone who pays someone else to talk to their dead relatives needs to have their finances controlled by someone else.
Getting an answer is a whole different matter
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Re: Sylvia Browne - Real or Fake?
Hey, I'm with you on point #1 and I'm with you on point #3; no need to shout. However...Originally posted by Richard Kaufman:
Hey, NO ONE CAN TALK TO THE DEAD.
Anyone who believes he or she can needs to see a shrink.
Anyone who pays someone else to talk to their dead relatives needs to have their finances controlled by someone else.
I would pay good money to have video footage of someone walking onto a soundstage and exposing John Edwards as a fraud.
I would pay beyond money to have video footage of someone walking out onto the soundstage and not only exposing John Edwards but then turning to the entire audience and telling them, "And you're all idiots for believing any of this! Afterlife, spirits...seriously, you all need your heads examined; get back on the short bus and do the rest of us a favor and stop breeding, willya?" Although I could save a bundle and tape the riot footage off the 11 O'Clock News.
I'm with Ford on this one. And I'm digging Jon Townsend for reading Promethea.
-Tony Cabral
Re: Sylvia Browne - Real or Fake?
And yet, quoth the Randi
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One the one hand, I'm inclined to agree. On the other hand, James, if you're reading this, should you ever learn that a family member of mine has died, and would like to send flowers, get someone else to write the card.I'm amazed at how much death affects people who undergo the process. It makes them really stupid and forgetful.
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Re: Sylvia Browne - Real or Fake?
Merely stupid and forgetful? They have gone, are now past tense, have become ex-parrots, excuse me ex-people and have left the rest of us pining for the fjords. Perhaps we could add lazy to that list as they seem inert as far as we can tell.Originally posted by AntonioMCabral:
And yet, quoth the Randi
One the one hand, I'm inclined to agree. On the other hand...I'm amazed at how much death affects people who undergo the process. It makes them really stupid and forgetful.
I suspect the man who can get out of a milk can sometimes has trouble tripping over pronouns. ;)
Mundus vult decipi -per Caleb Carr's story Killing Time
Re: Sylvia Browne - Real or Fake?
And yet, what are we saying about what grieving does to the people who undergo the process? Pretty much the same thing.Originally posted by Jonathan Townsend:
Merely stupid and forgetful? They have gone, are now past tense, have become ex-parrots, excuse me ex-people and have left the rest of us pining for the fjords. Perhaps we could add lazy to that list as they seem inert as far as we can tell.Originally posted by AntonioMCabral:
[b] And yet, quoth the Randi
One the one hand, I'm inclined to agree. On the other hand...I'm amazed at how much death affects people who undergo the process. It makes them really stupid and forgetful.
I suspect the man who can get out of a milk can sometimes has trouble tripping over pronouns. ;) [/b]
(P.S., JT, nice catch)
-Tony