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Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 21st, 2010, 12:36 pm
by Gordon Meyer
In The Jinx, there are a handful of tricks from "The Thirteen of Magic" -- but Annemann never explicitly lists their names. In The Jinx 86, there are cartoons of the full membership, however.

I see Al Baker (#4 in the graphic I'm attaching) and Annemann (#12). Can you help me identify the other caricatures? Perhaps Christ, Gibson, and Jaks are among them?

Thanks!

http://skitch.com/gordonmeyer/dp1q3/the ... 73-of-1028

Re: Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 21st, 2010, 1:24 pm
by Bill Mullins
#10 looks like Charles Laughton.

Re: Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 21st, 2010, 4:44 pm
by Gordon Meyer
Just checking, that's a joke, right? Although in Abra Vol #31 Robert Lund does say that Charles Laughton was a magician. (Let's hear it for Ask Alexander!)

Re: Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 21st, 2010, 4:48 pm
by Bill Mullins
Well, I don't really think it is a picture of Laughton, but stranger things have happened. . . .

Re: Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 22nd, 2010, 4:03 pm
by Gordon Meyer
Others have suggested that #1 is Bruce Elliot, #5 is John Muhlholland, and #9 is Dr Jacob Daley. (Perhaps #13 is Daley instead.)

What's your best guess?

Re: Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 22nd, 2010, 4:22 pm
by Jim Maloney
I can't seem to load the image -- I get an error stating that it can't connect to the database. Seems to be a problem for all of skitch.com. Is there another place you could put the image?


EDIT: Nevermind, I found it. Issue 86, available @ The Learned Pig Project. :)

-Jim

Re: Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 22nd, 2010, 6:52 pm
by Bill Mullins
I can believe that #5 is Mulholland. But neither #9 or 13 look anything like the picture of Daley in Stars of Magic.

#11 vaguely resembles the picture of Cy Enfield HERE.

Maybe #9 is Paul Curry?

#3 Hen Fetsch?

#8 Will Goldston?

Re: Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 22nd, 2010, 11:28 pm
by Richard Hatch
#12 Audley Walsh?

Re: Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 23rd, 2010, 11:59 am
by Gordon Meyer
Thanks! (And that's a nice site of photos, Bill.)

Annemann was a member, and I think 12 must be him due to lack of other good candidates, but here is the assembled tally so far. Each one should be envisioned as having a "?" after it.

1 - Bruce Elliot
2
3 - Hen Fetsch / Ross Bertram
4 - Al Baker
5 - John Muhlholland
6
7
8 - Will Goldston
9 - Dr Jacob Daley / Paul Curry / S Leo Horowitz
10
11 - Cy Enfiield
12 - Annemann / Audrey Walsh / John Scarne
13 - Dr Jacob Daley

http://skitch.com/gordonmeyer/dp1q3/the ... 73-of-1028

Re: Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 24th, 2010, 9:02 am
by Philippe Billot
I think N 12 is Audley Walsh because the carricature looks like the photo of him, page 563 of The Jinx.

Re: Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 26th, 2010, 11:12 am
by gfajuri
10 looks more like Mulholland to me.

9 looks like a bad caricature of Houdini's brother, Hardeen.

2 looks a bit like Horace Goldin.

Re: Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 26th, 2010, 12:16 pm
by Gordon Meyer
I agree about the resemblance, but if #12 is Walsh, which one is Annemann?

Re: Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 26th, 2010, 2:14 pm
by Philippe Billot
N 6 ?

Re: Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 27th, 2010, 5:24 pm
by Gordon Meyer
#6 could be Annemann, he did perform in a turban early in his career, according to Abram's book.

Re: Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 27th, 2010, 5:51 pm
by Joe Pecore
Could #10 be Richard Himber? http://cardstarlifestyle.com/?p=333

Re: Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 28th, 2010, 2:56 am
by Philippe Billot
Who think N 2 could be Walter Gibson ?

Re: Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 28th, 2010, 4:45 pm
by Gordon Meyer
Thanks, Gabe, Joe, and Phillipe.

I could see the point that #10 could be Himber.

I would certainly expect Walter Gibson to be among the 13, but based on a younger photo, I'd guess #11.

http://dialbforblog.com/archives/112/walter_gibson.gif

Henry Christ is probably here too, anyone have a candidate for which drawing represents him? Could it be #7, which so far nobody has identified?

Re: Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 28th, 2010, 4:55 pm
by Joe Pecore
Henry Christ photo here if it helps anyone: http://www.magicnook.com/forum/biopics/Christ_Henry.jpg.

Looks like to #12 to me, but that doesn't help as you have a lot of candidates for that one :)

Re: Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 29th, 2010, 3:07 am
by Philippe Billot
N 7 can't be Henry Christ because his ears are larger on the photo than on the picture.

Personally, I'm not physiognomist but a good drawer can help us.

Re: Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 29th, 2010, 11:13 am
by Gordon Meyer
Wow, thanks for finding that photo, Joe. #12 sure does look a lot like Christ, other than Al Baker, that might be the strongest resemblance yet.

Re: Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 29th, 2010, 1:31 pm
by Eric Fry
Consdering how prevalent moustaches were in those days, it's odd that only Turban Guy has one. Only two wear glasses, which leaves out a lot of people.

Is No. 8 supposed to be a person in costume as a Chinese magician? Al Baker wore glasses, so No. 5 seems to be out for him. No. 5 looks too old and haggard for Mulholland. Daley wasn't bald and didn't have a unibrow or fleshy lips. I don't see No. 13 for him.

I wonder if No. 4 is Percy Abbott.

Re: Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 29th, 2010, 2:58 pm
by Jonathan Townsend
Maybe they are all Lon Chaney?

Or perhaps one of them is Erdnase?

Are any of them Hirshfields?

Re: Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 29th, 2010, 3:32 pm
by Philippe Billot
Percy Abbott is on the cover of Genii, Vol. 13, no. 10, june 1949.

If someone can check.

Also see the photo, page 653 of The Jinx. There are Lyons Vosburgh, Ted Annemann, Rawson Clayton and Walter Gibson.

Perhaps this can help.

Re: Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 29th, 2010, 4:20 pm
by Joe Pecore
If the drawing was portraying how they looked at the time of the publication, here are the approximate ages of some of the proposed magicians as they would have been in 1938:

Bruce Elliot: 22
Hen Fetsch: 26
Ross Bertram: 26
Al Baker: 64
John Muhlholland: 40
Will Goldston: 60
Dr Jacob Daley: 41
Paul Curry: 21
S Leo Horowitz: 44
Cy Enfiield: 24
Annemann: 31
Audrey Walsh : 44
John Scarne: 35
Dr Jacob Daley: 41
Lyons Vosburgh: 46
Walter Gibson: 41
Horace Goldin: 65
Hardeen: 62
Richard Himber: 32
Henry Christ: 35

Not sure if this helps or not.

Re: Who are Thirteen of Magic (Jinx) ?

Posted: July 30th, 2010, 2:21 pm
by Gordon Meyer
Keep in mind that this was Annemann's inner circle. In the Jinx, he describes them all getting together on more than one occasion. So this would logically eliminate some of the wild guesses. Think NYC and east coast magicians from that era. Over 90% of travel in the US, at that time, was by train.

But don't let me discourage you from playing, by all means. :)

Joe, the age list is interesting all by itself. I know I tend to think of past magicians as being frozen in a certain era. Thanks for doing the research to put that together.