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Has anyone signed up yet? Any thoughts on this?

I for one think it is going to be spectacular. My order was in as soon as I heard about it.

Is this the salivating trick Jonathan Pendragon asked about earlier, Dr Pavlov?

SCobalt wrote:Has anyone signed up yet? Any thoughts on this?

I was pretty doubtful after first finding it, as it looks dishonest, like a scam of some sort.
To me, it does definitely not inspire confidence with an anonymous publisher. Seems like they don't feel any pride in their work, since they need to hide. Like Masked Magician... or like a Steve Fearson viral project, from the time before he shaped up.

Then I talked with Michael Weber about it - and according to him, it is actually a serious project with ambitions, despite the shoddy appearance and all the warning signals.

So I've taken the risk of signing up for a year. Still feel that it is a gamble, and that I probably will get ripped off - but I have some faith in Weber's opinions, so... who knows? It might be good.

I just googled it and didn't find anything. What are you folks referring to?

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I signed up, as well, based on some info I received. I agree that it feels like a gamble, but I believe that that the recommendation I received is based on good information.

We shall see...

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I signed up as well.

You guys better not turn out to be like Jeff Busby or you know what'll happen.

Given that my name has been included in some of the promotion, I will confirm that this is a legitimate enterprise, which I think will make subscribers very happy.

Other than that, my lips are sealed.

Smurf wrote:Platinum Exclusive Membership

Special 12-month Platinum Exclusive Membership one-time annual fee of $144 USD within USA ($150 USD outside of the USA).
[SNIP]
....Recurs yearly automatically.

It's 160 USD outside USA.

That "one-time" actually means "Recurs yearly automatically" doesn't quite read right in my eyes. There's no payment option that allows me to buy just a one-year subscription. The only option is this automatic 160 USD/year from now to eternity. If I forget to go into the actual PayPal site and search for the page where I can cancel the automatic payment, I will pay for next year as well, no matter if I actually want it or not.

Automatic payment should be opt-in, not opt-out.

People like
Steve Brooks, Michael Weber, Bob Neale, Mathieu Bich, Gaetan Bloom, Tim
Trono, Paul Wilson, Christian Engblom and others have endorsed, recommended,
contributed to, or participated in Real Secrets. Obviously these individuals
would not be involved in any manner if there were concerns of trust.

Well.. Steve Brooks endorse anyone who pays him, so I'm not sure how much credibility he add compared to the others in this list. ;)

Tom, I went to "My Money" on PayPal and was able to cancel the recurring payment option with no problem.

Max Maven wrote:Given that my name has been included in some of the promotion, I will confirm that this is a legitimate enterprise, which I think will make subscribers very happy.

Thanks Max, that's good to know! :)

In general terms, without going into specific details, do you know why do the publisher doesn't want to be associated with the project? Is it just a marketing ploy?
What I'm saying, basically, is that I don't get it.

Sounds exciting. Probably will go platinum so I can get my decoder ring...Or better yet (keeping my fingers crossed) maybe Weber will tip his nail/board/teacups routine. At any rate, having something sent every month with props and a promise to keep things under the radar and subrosa about it is too cool to pass up.

Richard Kaufman wrote:Tom, I went to "My Money" on PayPal and was able to cancel the recurring payment option with no problem.

I don't think that the page PayPal serves me in Sweden looks the same as the page you see. I just managed to cancel the automatic payment, but it was far from obvious how to do it.

It wasn't obvious to me how to get to the "My Money" page, but once I found it, I was able to dope out the rest.

It's pretty funny--we're sending money and have pretty much no idea what we're getting other than vague promises of tricks by names we know.

I also signed up.

The fact that Brooks is repeatedly spamming about it is enough to put me of.

Michael Webber was selling this at Blackpool as far as I know.

I talked to Tim Trono and Mike Weber about this on the weekend. They seemed genuinely excited about it, and I've signed up for the quarterly option. It will be interesting to see what arrives in April.

Certainly the names attached to the project look impressive (but if Steve Brooks' contribution is a Silver Shifter I may call foul...)

I think I know what this project is now, something which Tim Trono has been mentioning to me for several months, but under a different name. He's been working on it for quite a while.

Looking forward to it!

Richard,

I signed up for a Platinum membership based on your recommendation.

You better be right :)

I subscribed to the Platinum service - $144 USD late last night - or early this morning actually.

Why do magicians have the worst and most annoying marketing skills in the world?!

I guess that's what happens when the desire to sell (and sell and sell again!) overcomes the desire to keep one's creations "secret". You try hard to devise ways to put out a product and make as much money as you can, and yet also keep your creation as "secret" as possible.

No easy way around it though.

Jim

I'm not one of those people who like to keep things mysterious when I'm trying to sell something. My ads always give a full description of what a book contains, our Genii convention ads show all the performers we've booked so far, etc.

So, the entire marketing of Real Secrets is the opposite of what I do, however it is a valid way of proceeding that sometimes works very well.

I'm just wondering: my number was 105. Does anyone have a higher number"? It's probably not assigning numbers randomly, so my "105" could mean I'm customer 10, or 5, or 15, or 105.

What are your numbers? You'll find it on your PayPal receipt.

I'm number 120, RK.

Jim

Mine is 132

Francis

Seems like a bloody good project, sans the mysterious owner. Maybe we'll all be invited to an old house on an island, like in Agatha Christie's "And Then There Were None".

Good show! I'm in.

I'm 104, so it's prolly order order, if you see what I mean. Either that, or a general coolness index...

I think they've unwittingly given us a way to see exactly how many subscribers they have! Considering the high cost and how little information has been provided, they're doing pretty well.

Nope, I think it's a coolness index. The lower, the cooler, obviously...

From the web page:
"You understand and agree that you cannot share your membership number with anyone else."

I hope you don't all get bounced before the first miracle arrives.

Oops...

Isn't that because it's the login for the site? As in, you cannot let anyone use your login to get to the site?

I hope that's it...

"Naught naught naught, naught naught, naught naught naught two. Damn Roosevelt!"
C. Montgomery Burns

My PayPal receipt says it's my order number, not my membership number. They wouldn't have a membership number that's just a few digits because it would be so easy to figure out.

Smurf wrote:[size:11pt] We can tell you that it is people you know and trust. People like Steve Brooks....[/size]

Well there's a marketing faux pas.

"Who are you?"
"I am number 2."
"Who is number 1?"
"You are number 6."
"I am not a number. I am a free man!!!"

(I'm 143.)

I guess I jumped on the wagon early.... I have a pretty low number, and seeing how high the numbers have gotten here, Seems that a decent amount of people have no issue taking a chance. I like a little feeling of wonder, as I lost alot of it over the years of learning magic. I always felt that was the worst part of being a magician....

-J-

I broke down and placed my order (No. 144). And cancelled the automatic renewal, as I do with virually all automatic renewals. It's my birthday present (birthday is in June!). The people involved are too wonderful not to give it a shot.

When I was a kid, my parents bought me a sub to something called "Things of Science." Each month a blue box would arrive with stuff for some sort of experiment. I loved it.

While I'm afraid lots of the Real Secrets stuff will wind up in my ever-expanding magic drawer, I'm an old git and can play if I want to (in between practicing card magic and writing). The only thing I know of that's at all similar are the packages of magic which Karl Fulves sends out to accompany his periodicals, and I love those.

Matt Field

Nice, Pete! "The Prisoner" - I have the entire series on DVD. :)

Jim

Pete McCabe wrote:"Who are you?"
"I am number 2."
"Who is number 1?"
"You are number 6."
"I am not a number. I am a free man!!!"

(I'm 143.)

Does anyone know if the creators named actually own or invest in the enterprise in question, or are they hired by the actual publisher?

Everyone's mouth is wired shut on this one.