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Magicians seek to reinvent an old art for the Internet age

Postby garciadini » January 5th, 2011, 3:45 pm

Hi fellow Magic lovers.
I just received this link from ASCAP (aside from magic, I am also a musician) Interesting read.
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Postby Bill Palmer » January 5th, 2011, 3:49 pm

Sankey knows what he is talking about. If anyone knows about arrogance, he should.

However, when you have non-magicians (who are musicians) writing reports based upon what a few magicians say, you have results similar to those you have when there are non-musicians (who are magicians) writing reports of what musicians have said.
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Postby garciadini » January 5th, 2011, 4:54 pm

The [size:14pt]link [/size]is from ASCAP (which discusses many internet issues) It was never mentioned that a non-magician/musician wrote the article. The Star.com is the internet version of The Toronto Star, Canada's largest newspaper. It's not Jazz Times or Guitar Player or DownBeat.

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Postby Brad Henderson » January 5th, 2011, 5:32 pm

I met Sankey years ago and found him quite enjoyable. I find it ironic that on one hand he claims magic's appeal is waning, yet he seems to have little problem selling his many products (and re-releases of products) to the "uninterested" masses.

I am curious about his "reinvention."

Every now and then I read this claim from someone on some forum. Then, on the date, one gets an ad for a new deck of cards, or some kind of lecture/video/online download/forum.

We will see.

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Postby Richard Kaufman » January 5th, 2011, 9:29 pm

Jay has had a love/hate relationship with magic and magicians for decades. He has made quite a few odd statements over the years and loves to be provocative.

I would submit that the creations in Sankey Panky are the work of a genius in our field. Go back and read them and try them--they are almost uniformly ingenious and stunning.

But Jay no longer strives for that level of creativity because the people he is creating magic for don't give a crap. They just want something they can do as soon as the package is opened. Or perhaps not even that--just a DVD to watch.
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Postby mai-ling » January 6th, 2011, 12:36 am

where on ASCAP does it mention the article?
or was it in an email?
because i never get normal newsletters from ASCAP.
nor do I ever get their magazine any more.
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » January 6th, 2011, 8:03 am

I detest such ploys for attention.

IMHO the craft of offering specious wonders as amusement will remain timeless.

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Postby garciadini » January 6th, 2011, 9:09 am

Hi mai-ling,
The link was in an email, the ASCAP Daily Brief.

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Postby mai-ling » January 6th, 2011, 11:07 am

I never get the Daily Brief!
Only the Expo update stuff.
No wonder I never know what's going on with them.

I never get the magazine any longer either...
is that still being published?
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Postby garciadini » January 6th, 2011, 11:51 am

Hey Just PM'D you

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Postby Matthew Field » January 6th, 2011, 12:47 pm

I agree 100% with what the head Genii has to say about this. Jay has to pay the mortgage and support a wife and two kids, and doing that by marketing stuff to the magic community is damned tough.

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Re: Magicians seek to reinvent an old art for the Internet age

Postby Paul Gordon » January 7th, 2011, 2:04 am

Richard Kaufman wrote:
But Jay no longer strives for that level of creativity because the people he is creating magic for don't give a crap. They just want something they can do as soon as the package is opened. Or perhaps not even that--just a DVD to watch.


Perfectly put!

I often get an email/call saying something like, "Got anything I can do for tonight?" Sometimes they add, "...for tonight's show!" Yea gods!

I truly believe that many "new" magicians don't actually perform for anyone; not even family; not even the mirror. I think their magic only "lives/exists" in their heads & dreams...and bedrooms. Therefore, to a certain extent, a trick requiring skill/practice (don't they all) is a no-no.

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Re: Magicians seek to reinvent an old art for the Internet age

Postby magicam » January 7th, 2011, 8:56 am

FWIW, I didn't read one original thought, criticism, concern or idea in that article at least two of the criticisms expressed therein are over 165 and 340 years old. So perhaps magic critics need to reinvent their criticism in the internet age?

In the article, one magician claimed, When we were young, the magic trade journals would have maybe 10 new tricks a year. What was this gent reading as a kid, the two-page mimeographed quarterly, The Kiddie Trixter?

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Re: Magicians seek to reinvent an old art for the Internet age

Postby jimvines » January 7th, 2011, 9:30 am

Sankey shouldn't be so negative about magic, especially when he's being quoted as an expert magician in a non-magic publication. It only helps reinforce negative stereotypes when one of our own says that kind of stuff.

Besides, in a debate it would be easy to make a compelling argument that to the contrary, we are currently living in a new golden age of magic.

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