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Oh, my... :(

Wow ... just wow.

Gord

This would not have happened in Britain. In Her Majesty's Britannic Realm of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland we do not indulge in the silly American habit of having guns in the house.

Quite right too. It was lucky it was only the floor he shot at.

Get all your great gossip at TMZ;

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One report states that bail has been set at $50,000 but that, because he's being held under a "mental health watch", he won't be able to post bail any time soon.

Unbelievable...

OMG no!!

My thoughts are with you, Charlotte. Call if you need to talk.
Paul Pacific

Wow.. I recently interviewed them both. I just don't know what to think.

That's really sad. Best to both of them.

Unbelievably sad, but then again, for me at least, not surprising. I admire them greatly, but the times I have met them, and then watching their latest DVD set (which I thought was EXTREMELY sad - almost like they were giving up), something has always seemed "off". Add to that the strange "arrow accident" (the oddest accident I have ever heard of) and the troubles with their singing show and it seems everyone has a breaking point. They're in my prayers.

This is very sad.

I heard that a fraction of a second after they put him in the back of the patrol car, he suddenly appeared on top of the car. The arresting officer was found handcuffed in the back seat wearing a different uniform.

Witnesses said that although they had all seen the trick before, none of them had seen it performed quite that fast.

You think he would have really shot her???

She came to see the show Mayhem with Koz and AJ at Ballys 20 yrs ago and hung out with us after. Really a nice person. Friendly and easy to get along with.

I sat with Jonathan in Salt Lake City for an hour discussing the ocean. He was pretty intense.

You hate to see her get hurt but I dont think he really would have done her in. He's in big trouble now though.

-=tabman

Psychic Lawrence wrote:This would not have happened in Britain. In Her Majesty's Britannic Realm of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland we do not indulge in the silly American habit of having guns in the house.

Quite right and that is why British crime rate has exploded. When criminals don't have to worry about homeowners or police having weapons, they get very brave.

Tabman wrote:I sat with Jonathan in Salt Lake City for an hour discussing the ocean. He was pretty intense.
-=tabman

If this was the IBM convention, I remember him getting very hot about an illusion builder who ripped off Steinmeyer's Origami and had it on display.

Don't be silly Terence. Although British crime has exploded there is very little gun crime. Having guns in the house is a bloody stupid American idea that is not allowed in any other country in the world. It leads to the sort of incident under discussion where the rather silly Jonathon personage fired into the floor and shot his career in the foot.

One kind of floor show I suppose.

As for other types of crime in Britain that is merely part of our glorious heritage.

Terry wrote:If this was the IBM convention, I remember him getting very hot about an illusion builder who ripped off Steinmeyer's Origami and had it on display.

That's the one. The SLC IBM Convention. I remember it as a good one. I did tech for the Pendragons during their rehersal at the theater. He was intense at rehersal too. I just took it as the whims of someone quite intelligent and artistic. In a word - moody!!

But I still don't think he would have shot her. He was just trying to make a point I suspect, like banging on a table but I really don't know either of them well enough to make more than a comment. I really have no right saying anything.

-=tabman

magictom wrote:http://www.ksby.com/Global/story.asp?S=10664308

Sad. Moodswings. I hope he gets the help he needs.

As I was cutting and stacking wood all day, my mind wandered about his life, and his wife...and then I kept asking myself..."Roid rage?"

Psychic Lawrence wrote:Snip - Having guns in the house is a bloody stupid American idea that is not allowed in any other country in the world.

Ah, the psychic abilities didn't come through for you that time, Mark. Lots of other countries have citizen ownership of firearms.

Israel, Switzerland (one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world), Finland (about 56 firearms for every 100 citizens) Australia (over 5% of the population owns firearms) South Africa (over a million registered owners), New Zealand (over a million firearms owned in a country of just over 4 million people), a number of South American countries...lots of other places.

Hey Lawrence...

What do you "predict" will happen?

Don't bring Australia into this discussion! We had a buyback to get guns out of the hands of our population. Yes, criminals can get them, but the everyday Joe can't. We like it that way!

Although this news pains us deeply, on the bright side, no one was hurt; so perhaps there's still time for both Jonathan and Char to get some (apparently) much needed help.

Pendragons, you're still tops in our book. Nobody does "The Trunk" better than you two and no one else will. Thank you for more than 25 years of your magic. You've given magic a lot, now perhaps it's time to let your magic friends pay you back for all the pleasure you've given us. Please let us know what we can do to help.

Get better soon,

Sincerely,

Richard & Gina Hart
The Wizard of Hearts & Co.
Tulsa, OK

There is certainly no denying that guns in the home and guns easily purchasable dramatically increases violent crimes particularly 'rage type' crimes where somebody completely normal looses it and in that few minutes or hours commits a crime he will regret all his life. A crime he would have never committed wouldn't firearms be that accessible.

However, the availability of guns can't be the full answer. I personally believe that there is something in the culture of America, but I can't really put my finger on it, that causes a violent crime death rate unlike any other developed country in the world. I don't have the current numbers at hand but if I remember correctly then every 6 minutes or so a person dies a violent crime death in the US. It is staggering. The USA is a leading nation in so many things, but when it comes to prevention of violent crimes they are doing something awfully wrong.

Guys,

Let's not speculate on this trying time for friends and compeers of ours during this difficult time for them. We all wish them well and hope there is a quick resolution and speedy healing for all involved.

Let us also not use this as platform for ignorant comments about guns in the home or America. I think if you check your facts you will find the most violence and gun violence where the gun laws are most strict.

Sure he could not have shot a gun in the floor if he didn't have a gun, but the issue is the problem, not the way he expressed it. He could have committed a violent act with many implements in a home.

the Larry wrote:There is certainly no denying that guns in the home and guns easily purchasable dramatically increases violent crimes particularly 'rage type' crimes where somebody completely normal looses it and in that few minutes or hours commits a crime he will regret all his life. A crime he would have never committed wouldn't firearms be that accessible.

However, the availability of guns can't be the full answer. I personally believe that there is something in the culture of America, but I can't really put my finger on it, that causes a violent crime death rate unlike any other developed country in the world. I don't have the current numbers at hand but if I remember correctly then every 6 minutes or so a person dies a violent crime death in the US. It is staggering. The USA is a leading nation in so many things, but when it comes to prevention of violent crimes they are doing something awfully wrong.

Just for you. While I agree that you can never call back a bullet fired in anger, the same can be said of the swing of a fis, bat or toss of a knife. To extrapolate that ;to mean these things should be "unavailable", is nonsense.

Your comment, "There is certainly no denying that guns in the home and guns easily purchasable dramatically increases violent crimes...", is patently false. Check your facts and you will see that Washington DC is the highest violent crime rate and the strictest gun laws and cities where is was actually made mandatory to carry a gun the gun crime rate is way down. FBI statistics support this across the board.

Much of the "Gun Crime" in the US is drug and gang business, not just mom's and pop's loosing it. Much perpetrated by illegal aliens and their relatives. Remove that, and the numbers drop considerably.

The amount of anti-gun propaganda in the U.S. (and elsewhere) is sickening, not to mention a blatant disregard for a piece of parchment called the "Constitution of the United States."

Much of the propaganda is done through television by basing many crime shows in New York City where gun laws are more strict. Because of this, people just believe that those gun laws apply for the entire United States. If we're not careful, they will be! I seem to recall some other men in history that wanted to take guns from the populace (King George - the order to confiscate the colonials fire arms is what STARTED the American Revolution! Dare we forget!), Stalin and Hitler.

Newspapers rarely report the number of cases of crimes that are stopped because of Americans owning and knowing how to use fire arms. There is one amusing report about Venus Ramey, the 1944 Miss America pageant winner, who stopped a couple thieves on her property by discharging two rounds into their vehicle's tire. This was a local "story of interest" because of who was holding the gun, but most stories go unreported because there is no crime or body to write about. Red blood sells black ink. This is one-sided journalism that skews the truth.

Besides the District of Columbia, check out the stats of countries that have removed guns from the hands of the citizen. Australia and the UK are great examples. Crime rates soar! Because the criminal is still going to be a criminal and still going to have the "illegal" weapon while Joe-Schmoe Good Citizen goes unarmed.

Isn't it time to shut down this inappropriate "debate"?

I have the solution to the US gun problem. Allow everyone to have as many guns as they want but ban the sale of ammunition.

Read the news... they are attempting to do just that.

Why don't we blame Jonathon Pendragon for pulling the trigger? Not the gun.

This will be my last post on this subject.

Ray Eden wrote:check out the stats of countries that have removed guns from the hands of the citizen. Australia and the UK are great examples. Crime rates soar!

Got a link to prove that please? I'd love to see stats showing a rise in crime rates in the UK when guns were outlawed.

Thanks.

FACT: A gun in the home increases the risk of homicide of a household member by 3 times and the risk of suicide by 5 times compared to homes where no gun is present.

(Kellerman AL, Rivara FP, Somes G, et al. Suicide in the Home in Relation to Gun Ownership. NEJM. 1992; 327(7):467-472)

FACT: Comparison of U.S. gun homicides to other industrialized countries:

In 2004 (the most recent year for which this data has been compiled), handguns murdered:

* 5 people in New Zealand
* 37 people in Sweden
* 56 people in Australia
* 184 people in Canada
* 19 people in Japan
* 73 people in the UK
* 11,344 people in the United States

I'll send a PM tomorrow with the stats and all instead of continuing the debate in this forum.

In the meantime... type a few key words into Google: gun control, Australia, statistics. I'll also get you the name of the town mentioned in another email that had its crime rate drop to around "0" when the town council mandated that every household have a gun. Of course, I find this unconstitutional too, but it does serve as a case study.

I'll send you the info tomorrow, as its now "family time" in Finland. .-)

Ray Eden wrote:I'll send a PM tomorrow with the stats and all instead of continuing the debate in this forum.

In the meantime... type a few key words into Google: gun control, Australia, statistics. I'll also get you the name of the town mentioned in another email that had its crime rate drop to around "0" when the town council mandated that every household have a gun. Of course, I find this unconstitutional too, but it does serve as a case study.

I'll send you the info tomorrow, as its now "family time" in Finland. .-)

I can't wait to see the stats on how when the UK removed guns our crime rates soared. Really going to be interesting. Thanks.

The next person to comment on gun ownership will be banned. Period. Various sides have had their say, now shut up.

If Jonathan was that pissed off, he could have hit her in the head with a frying pan and done more damage.

Until more news develops, I don't want to see another post in this thread.

I'm tempted to post: Maybe I can get myself banned....

:)

I do have some more news which I believe is relevant. Charlotte has just posted the following on Facebook:

"Painkillers, lorazepam, xanax, cymbalta, sleeping pills of all kind, viox (before it was banned), anti histamines, seroquel... Guess what happens to the human brain?"

I said it before and I'll say it again.
Wow ... just wow.

Gord

My kindest thoughts and hopes to both Charlotte and Jonathan. This is a disturbing and sad situation.

I hope we won't se a post by anyone breaking down drug by drug what these do. Those that interested can look on their own. Lets just hope that they come out on the other side of this stronger and better than ever.