Center Dealing - Finding the Center

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Center Dealing - Finding the Center

Postby Christopher1979 » October 24th, 2017, 3:16 pm

I know the main book you would go to when learning the Center deal is Finding the Center by Antonio Zuccaro. It is a wonderful book, but, is there any other book(s) you think are worth delving into as regards to the Center deal?

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Re: Center Dealing - Finding the Center

Postby Richard Kaufman » October 24th, 2017, 4:11 pm

Gene Maze and The Art of Bottom Dealing has a full description of Gene's Center Deal, which was completely invisible when he did it. He does use the Erdnase Bottom Deal Grip.
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Re: Center Dealing - Finding the Center

Postby Christopher1979 » October 24th, 2017, 4:17 pm

Richard Kaufman wrote:Gene Maze and The Art of Bottom Dealing has a full description of Gene's Center Deal, which was completely invisible when he did it. He does use the Erdnase Bottom Deal Grip.


Completely invisible is always a good start!, thank you for that Richard, i have a copy of his book i will have to dig it out.

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Re: Center Dealing - Finding the Center

Postby Ian Kendall » October 25th, 2017, 4:34 pm

You could try the Magic of Fred Robinson for his method, or the large article David Ben wrote on Ross Bertram in Genii a few years back, which had a description of the Kennedy deal.

There's also Hollingworth's version which I think is taught in his book (as part of his gambling routine), and the Martin Nash work.

Andrew Wimhurst has work in (I think) Down Under Deals.

I think it depends on whether you want to use the 'outjog with a bevel' method, or the 'squeeze and push' variety...

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Re: Center Dealing - Finding the Center

Postby Christopher1979 » October 25th, 2017, 9:17 pm

Ian Kendall wrote:You could try the Magic of Fred Robinson for his method, or the large article David Ben wrote on Ross Bertram in Genii a few years back, which had a description of the Kennedy deal.

There's also Hollingworth's version which I think is taught in his book (as part of his gambling routine), and the Martin Nash work.

Andrew Wimhurst has work in (I think) Down Under Deals.

I think it depends on whether you want to use the 'outjog with a bevel' method, or the 'squeeze and push' variety...


Thank you Ian for those references, i will have a look. I prefer the squeeze and push variation... i think. I dont really like the idea of an outjog and with the bevel it looks awkward in the hands.

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Re: Center Dealing - Finding the Center

Postby Bill Duncan » October 25th, 2017, 11:52 pm

+1 for Whimhurst's Down Under Deals.

I'm also partial to the Nash Trilogy.

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Re: Center Dealing - Finding the Center

Postby Terry » October 26th, 2017, 1:00 pm

Jason England also has a video on the Center - https://store.theory11.com/products/center-deal-jason-england

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Re: Center Dealing - Finding the Center

Postby Christopher1979 » October 26th, 2017, 1:39 pm

Bill Duncan wrote:+1 for Whimhurst's Down Under Deals.

I'm also partial to the Nash Trilogy.


Thank you Bill, I will have to try and get my hands on a copy from somewhere. Both are not that easy to find.

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Re: Center Dealing - Finding the Center

Postby Christopher1979 » October 26th, 2017, 1:40 pm

Terry wrote:Jason England also has a video on the Center - https://store.theory11.com/products/center-deal-jason-england


I will check the video out... not sure if it is the same as the material in his Foundation DVD's

Many thanks Terry!

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Re: Center Dealing - Finding the Center

Postby Bill Mullins » October 26th, 2017, 3:23 pm

Maybe this is useful?

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Re: Center Dealing - Finding the Center

Postby Christopher1979 » October 26th, 2017, 4:10 pm

Bill Mullins wrote:Maybe this is useful?


Thank you Bill, yes, very much so. I appreciate your input!

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Re: Center Dealing - Finding the Center

Postby prodigy » October 26th, 2017, 11:06 pm

Christopher1979 wrote:
Ian Kendall wrote:You could try the Magic of Fred Robinson for his method, or the large article David Ben wrote on Ross Bertram in Genii a few years back, which had a description of the Kennedy deal.

There's also Hollingworth's version which I think is taught in his book (as part of his gambling routine), and the Martin Nash work.

Andrew Wimhurst has work in (I think) Down Under Deals.

I think it depends on whether you want to use the 'outjog with a bevel' method, or the 'squeeze and push' variety...


Thank you Ian for those references, i will have a look. I prefer the squeeze and push variation... i think. I dont really like the idea of an outjog and with the bevel it looks awkward in the hands.


For squeeze and push, I'd go for Andrew Wimhurst's. That's the center deal I use.

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Re: Center Dealing - Finding the Center

Postby Bill Duncan » October 26th, 2017, 11:14 pm

Christopher1979 wrote: ...not that easy to find.


Gus tells me you can purchase Down Under Deals from Michael Vincent's website (which probably has other worthwhile stuff as well).

http://www.michaelvincentmagic.com/prod ... -wimhurst/

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Re: Center Dealing - Finding the Center

Postby Christopher1979 » October 27th, 2017, 9:33 am

prodigy wrote:
Christopher1979 wrote:
Ian Kendall wrote:You could try the Magic of Fred Robinson for his method, or the large article David Ben wrote on Ross Bertram in Genii a few years back, which had a description of the Kennedy deal.

There's also Hollingworth's version which I think is taught in his book (as part of his gambling routine), and the Martin Nash work.

Andrew Wimhurst has work in (I think) Down Under Deals.

I think it depends on whether you want to use the 'outjog with a bevel' method, or the 'squeeze and push' variety...


Thank you Ian for those references, i will have a look. I prefer the squeeze and push variation... i think. I dont really like the idea of an outjog and with the bevel it looks awkward in the hands.


For squeeze and push, I'd go for Andrew Wimhurst's. That's the center deal I use.


Thank you very much for the info!, i will look into it.

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Re: Center Dealing - Finding the Center

Postby Christopher1979 » October 27th, 2017, 9:35 am

Ian Kendall wrote:You could try the Magic of Fred Robinson for his method, or the large article David Ben wrote on Ross Bertram in Genii a few years back, which had a description of the Kennedy deal.

There's also Hollingworth's version which I think is taught in his book (as part of his gambling routine), and the Martin Nash work.

Andrew Wimhurst has work in (I think) Down Under Deals.

I think it depends on whether you want to use the 'outjog with a bevel' method, or the 'squeeze and push' variety...


I am sure Fred Robinson had some lecture notes with the Center deal in?

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Re: Center Dealing - Finding the Center

Postby Christopher1979 » October 27th, 2017, 9:35 am

Bill Duncan wrote:
Christopher1979 wrote: ...not that easy to find.


Gus tells me you can purchase Down Under Deals from Michael Vincent's website (which probably has other worthwhile stuff as well).

http://www.michaelvincentmagic.com/prod ... -wimhurst/


Very kind of you Bill! Thank you


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