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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

Thank you for the clarification. It's an interesting way to get competitors. No Problem Q, welcome. As the deaf competitors themselves come from all over the world, they have to send in DVD or videos to prove they are good enough. also if you like to know all the judges are HEARING. so we do not pu...
by Fantastica
03/01/13 04:34 PM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

The information came from here http://www.deafmagic.com/world_wdmf_2014.html If you go to the bottom of the page you will see two links to registration forms. I emailed Morgan to clarify and he said the convention was for deaf magicians only, and all others were considered Tourists. Regardless of t...
by Fantastica
03/01/13 03:19 PM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

Incidentally, the upcoming deaf magicians' convention in Chicago is only open to deaf or hard of hearing magicians. Does that mean they are discriminating against hearing magicians? Your question oozes with privilege. Ted, you are correct because as a non-deaf magician I would have to pay $300 extr...
by Fantastica
03/01/13 12:16 PM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

Incidentally, the upcoming deaf magicians' convention in Chicago is only open to deaf or hard of hearing magicians. Does that mean they are discriminating against hearing magicians? Your question oozes with privilege. Ted, you are correct because as a non-deaf magician I would have to pay $300 extr...
by Fantastica
03/01/13 11:44 AM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

The only thing I partially regret was spending 25 on a ticket into the convention and then not attending lectures and getting my money's worth out of it. I essentially paid 25 for access to a building for the day and Beat The Wand. I was there on the Friday and Sunday and bought two day registratio...
by Fantastica
03/01/13 10:21 AM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

I didn't buy any magic, I don't regret that! The only thing I partially regret was spending 25 on a ticket into the convention and then not attending lectures and getting my money's worth out of it. I essentially paid 25 for access to a building for the day and Beat The Wand. This person posted on a...
by Fantastica
03/01/13 06:04 AM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

So, Obie O'Brien returned my email and stated that he is indeed taking over the running of certain parts of The Blackpool Convention. Aside from talking about bringing a lot of acts from FFFF over there, he offered no further details. I really still don't have a clear picture of what's happening. T...
by Fantastica
03/01/13 05:57 AM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

however, i am still working for the rights of Deaf magicians, i had an Interpreter for free for this convention, but she hgas withdrawn so has other interpreters they say ' it is un Professional for them to Interpret in the audience ', they feel it must be on stage or in the front, I agree with the...
by Fantastica
02/28/13 06:36 AM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

Funny man Adam Hills will be doing his comedy stand-up show at the Hammersmith Apollo in London on Sunday 22 September and will be using a BSL interpreter. Find out more by visiting: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://bit.ly/15SuUgz">http://bit.ly/15SuUgz</a><!-- m --> Interesting, large Lon...
by Fantastica
02/28/13 06:33 AM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

Richard Kaufman wrote:It's not brilliant, just the common sense thing to do. However since you're British, I think you mean "brilliant" in the sense of a good idea.


yea thats what I mean good idea.

if Obie said he wanted signers then then that would favour us.
by Fantastica
02/26/13 07:38 PM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

Richard Kaufman wrote:I've already contacted Obie for clarification.


That is brilliant many thanks Richard
by Fantastica
02/26/13 04:07 PM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

Richard Kaufman wrote:That's not true. Obie is organizing a FFFF show of some sort within the Blackpool convention.


ah I see so rumours is false damn.

However, what if we contact Obie and explain also if he will accept or call for an interprter for his show/lecture?
by Fantastica
02/26/13 02:50 PM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

I hear ( LOL I'm Deaf )rumour

That Mr Lever will not be organising next years Blackpool Convention.

It will be organised by Obie Obrien.

if thats true lets hope its a new step forward in the right direction
by Fantastica
02/26/13 07:43 AM
 
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Topic: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

Well I will be continuing the fight on behalf of the deaf magi next year. If we can get the 20 or so that used to attend to drum up more support we shall see. Me too, pity I cancelled going this year at last moment due to family problem, I certainly would have raise hell if I saw translators on sta...
by Fantastica
02/25/13 07:45 PM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

I do not foresee anyone kicking Derek out of anything. Most magicians exhibit what I term "addict mentality". They seem to always be in need of their next magic fix. As long as he provides a convention as a fix and the dealers are happy, there is no perceived need for a change. Kick the t...
by Fantastica
02/25/13 07:40 PM
 
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Topic: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

If Lever is a member of the IBM or the SAM or any other magic club,there must be ethical requirements he has breached by his behavior. So, how about a taste of his own medicine -- toss him out. He is a member of I.B.M., Blackpool magicians Club, Manchester Magic Circle and others, dont see any of t...
by Fantastica
02/22/13 04:51 PM
 
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Topic: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

I am not going to Blackpool this year due to family problems at last minute. however, i am still working for the rights of Deaf magicians, i had an Interpreter for free for this convention, but she hgas withdrawn so has other interpreters they say ' it is un Professional for them to Interpret in the...
by Fantastica
02/21/13 08:40 AM
 
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Topic: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

BMC refuse "what" ??? BMC have now said that signers can come in, if you ask a lecturer BEFORE the convention if they are ok with a signer being on stage then someone from BMC is going to have to explain to the lecturer (in front of a room full of magicians) why they can't have the signer...
by Fantastica
02/15/13 08:10 PM
 
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Topic: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

You cannot approach the lecturer's at the convention; i don't see why you cannot contact the lecturers BEFORE the convention with a simple statement "We're bring a group of deaf magicians and a signer to your lecture/performance, BMC have already approved our signer; would it be ok if the sign...
by Fantastica
02/15/13 07:10 PM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

Over 46 booked acts doing galas and lectures JOE MONTI, SIMON LOVELL, PATRICK LEHNEN, MARK MASON JAN LOGEMANN, NICHOLAS EINHRON, ZEKI YOO, PHIL CASS, YUJI YASUDA, YU HO JIN, TED KIM, LUKAS, KIM HYUN JOON, HAON GUN, LEE HUN, NICKY YANG, YANG JAE-HYEOCK, MATTHEW WRIGHT, JOHAN STAHL, COLIN MCLEOD, DIR...
by Fantastica
02/15/13 04:19 PM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

What is the latest update? As far as I know we are stuck at the moment, winter gardens managment and BMC refuse to move. they have changed mind and accept Interpreter and offered free ticket, BUT ,, Interprter MUST sit in the audience next to deaf person, so seems we stuck as they not break the law...
by Fantastica
02/15/13 02:44 PM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

Here's an idea. Apparently at BlackFISM the judges were all given iPads (which they got to keep afterwards, I am told). How about Derek provide iPads to the deaf magicians and the translator can sit in another room and type what the lecturer is saying directly onto the iPad screens. In fact, as hav...
by Fantastica
02/15/13 07:12 AM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

From what I understand, the Winter Gardens management have not yet replied. If Johnny shows up with an interpreter, and they are arrested, or forcibly removed from the premises by Mr. Lever, then I think the media will sudddenly become more interested. And it's not going to be pretty for either the...
by Fantastica
02/15/13 07:05 AM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

What is the latest update? As fr as I know we are still waiting for reply from the Winter Gardens also D. Lever. every objection they have put forward we have replied and overcomne. now we have overcome the stupid fire hazard etc, but no reply. this is not unusual from D. Lever as I has refused to ...
by Fantastica
02/14/13 02:49 PM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

Richard ,,, Tim ,,,, Magicshaw ,,,

PERFECTLY CORRECT IN ALL YOU SAY.
by Fantastica
02/11/13 05:00 PM
 
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Topic: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

Following on from various emails & phone calls, I understand the current position is that sign language interpreters may well be given free entry to the event, but must translate from a seat next to anyone requiring their services. Whilst this is definitely a small step forwards, I'm still stru...
by Fantastica
02/11/13 09:59 AM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

Hi Everyone I apologize for not posting, as I have been busy working with our Secretary-General Dr Simon Carmel from Florida and Damian Jennings from England, plus performing. phew. Damian ( mrgoat ) has been appointed our spokesman and we got things moving fast, boy aint he fast, I blink and hes go...
by Fantastica
02/09/13 06:11 AM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

Good Morning Guys Past few days racking my old brian on what to do, very difficult and stressful, 1. Take out court order to stop Convention. Out of question would hurt many Magicians. 2. Find Lawyer to send official letter. A Lawyer helped me write a letter last year but it was ignored, slow and ex...
by Fantastica
02/05/13 05:48 AM
 
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Topic: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

Johnny, No need to be surprised at my comments. They were in no way personal or intended to offend. I was merely playing devils advocate and offering alternative thoughts and points of view to the discussion. I am fully supportive of you in this issue and detest any form of descrimination, whether ...
by Fantastica
02/03/13 03:49 PM
 
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Topic: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

Another thought. If the World Society of Deaf Magicians have requested an interpreter for the convention then if Derek agreed to allowing the facility but insisted it was at your cost would that have been acceptable to you? Just a note - I am merely putting an alternative viewpoint across not my ow...
by Fantastica
02/03/13 12:24 PM
 
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Topic: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

OK, this is just a start, but if Mr Gapp wants to contact me deaf AT damianjennings DOT com I can hand him over the passwords for the accounts, or if he wants me to run them, more than happy to. May need to change the language on the petition, and need contact details etc. Probably need to draft a ...
by Fantastica
02/03/13 09:28 AM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

By the way, when The Magic Circle had a deaf member (Victor Shine, who passed away a couple of years ago) the club paid for a signer conversant with magic to stand near the stage at the front of the theatre and interpret. There was never any complaint or feeling of intrusiveness. Matt Field Yes Mat...
by Fantastica
02/02/13 08:04 AM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

Mr Gapp, setting aside the other issues, I don't think handing out letters to dealers at a convention, especially at Blackpool, is the most productive way of making your point. It hadn't occurred to me the difficulties that deaf magicians would have with DVDs, so I hope dealers and manufacturers wi...
by Fantastica
02/02/13 06:23 AM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

Sorry Johnny, meant to say the Equality Act. (I'm a bit dated.) Glad you have got legal help. Of course, the organisers are breaking UK law by refusing "reasonable adjustment". It is disgusting. May I say that your whole approach seems exemplary to me. My wife would say (and did in fact s...
by Fantastica
02/02/13 06:08 AM
 
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

Johnny - can you summarise exactly what your request was of Derek Lever that he turned down ? Will he not allow an interpreter at the event ? Or will he not pay for the services of one ? You do realise that you are very likely - if not already - going to be officially banned from attending Blackpoo...
by Fantastica
02/01/13 06:40 PM
 
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Topic: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians
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Re: Derek Lever ... Discriminating Against Deaf Magicians

Hi My name is Johnny Gapp, stage name Johnny Fantastica, I am President of Society of World Deaf Magicians. Thank you very much to Richard also you members for your support. Yes we have DDA act which is now changed to Equality act, I got a lawyer to type a letter in legal jargon for me to copy to se...
by Fantastica
02/01/13 02:36 PM
 
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