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Re: Identity of this "Camp/Gay" magician please

I agree with you Richard: It would be horribly offensive if you did a blackface act. Not only would you be reviving a condescending performance tradition, but you would be blatantly misrepresenting a racial group for which you have no entitlement to speak. It would be insulting in many ways. But if ...
by Marty Demarest
10/21/14 09:42 AM
 
Forum: General
Topic: Identity of this "Camp/Gay" magician please
Replies: 96
Views: 4727

Re: Identity of this "Camp/Gay" magician please

Dustin, thank you for the video clip of Jeff Hobson. As a gay man I didn't find anything personally offensive in it. (I also watched his Egg Bag performance from the same show.) Nor did I find anything that insulted my boyfriend or denigrated my "tribe." In fact, it was refreshing to see a...
by Marty Demarest
10/20/14 06:44 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: Identity of this "Camp/Gay" magician please
Replies: 96
Views: 4727

Re: ERDNASE

I just saw a Q&A that Jason England conducted on the Magic Café last month, and since some of it relates directly to Erdnase, I think it's worth linking to it. It's interesting material. I'm sorry I missed the discussion, as I would have responded there. But since I prefer this forum--and since ...
by Marty Demarest
10/20/14 06:33 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: Identity of this "Camp/Gay" magician please

Could someone please describe what Jeff Hobson does in his act that makes it insulting to gay men? Does he explicitly present himself as being both gay and a buffoon? Does he demean homosexuality? Or does he just play a campy character? Because if he's just swishy, a lot of straight guys are like th...
by Marty Demarest
10/17/14 05:39 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: Identity of this "Camp/Gay" magician please
Replies: 96
Views: 4727

Re: ERDNASE

I wanted to follow up the recent discussion of the color change that is commonly called "The Erdnase Color Change." In addition to the (much older) sources cited above that attribute the move to Houdini, it is claimed outright by Houdini in his editing of Elliott's Last Legacy (1923) under...
by Marty Demarest
09/12/14 02:09 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: ERDNASE

Bill--Martha Edgerton Plassmann was indeed related to Wilbur Edgerton Sanders. She was the daughter of Sidney Edgerton, Montana Territory's first Territorial Governor, and a second cousin of WES. Unfortunately, she died in 1936, so I've been unable to ask her about her cousin! The Martha Edgerton Pl...
by Marty Demarest
09/11/14 10:52 AM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: ERDNASE

A couple of points of possible interest to Erdnasians: --As Tom implied above, it is possible to preview the index to the new edition of The Expert at Amazon.com . --I will be discussing some new Erdnase evidence at an upcoming history conference in Helena, Montana , next weekend. However, before yo...
by Marty Demarest
09/10/14 03:00 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: ERDNASE

Speaking of Drake's involvement with The Expert , I've always had my doubts about any direct, personal connection between Erdnase and the firm. I believe that there have been claims and implications of a relationship between Drake and Erdnase, but I've never seen any evidence for it. The evidence su...
by Marty Demarest
09/10/14 02:52 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: ERDNASE

John--yes please! (Will try to contact you through other channels.) Jason England brought some of his collection to The Erdnaseum and it was inspiring to see the extent of The Expert 's printed history. One of the variations that interests me the most is the change made to page 5 (first edition). As...
by Marty Demarest
09/08/14 10:54 AM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: ERDNASE

I'm wondering how Marty -- in his new version of the book -- handled the oft-mentioned "five mistakes" in Erdnase. Tom, the short answer to your question is that "The Indexed Expert" (as I've come to think of the new edition) handles the famous "five errors" by includi...
by Marty Demarest
09/05/14 09:51 AM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: ERDNASE

The Expert at the Card Table exhibits an interesting mix of printing variations across the first edition. These aren't major changes--I've not seen evidence that any of the book was re-set during the first edition. But there are still differences that enter the print run, probably due to the techno...
by Marty Demarest
09/04/14 02:11 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: ERDNASE

Sorry, Jason, I should have included those references. Thanks Bill! I will say that although we don't have an explicit statement along the lines of "Harry Houdini invented this lovely color change..." in the early literature, the first pictures of the effect show Houdini performing it, and...
by Marty Demarest
08/23/14 06:57 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: ERDNASE

Jason, thanks for the clarification regarding the timeline of card indices. As for the hypothesis that Erdnase's copyright notices match techniques that he invented, I also followed that line of inquiry a few years ago. I won't reiterate your examples, but I will note that there are meaningful excep...
by Marty Demarest
08/23/14 12:48 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: ERDNASE

Great blog idea--and good to see you writing again about Erdnase, Tom! I'll add my voice to those asking for reprints. Or maybe just bind all your Erdnase work together? In any case, it's well worth seeking out.
by Marty Demarest
07/30/14 09:58 AM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: ERDNASE

I've always thought that Erdnase's "mechanical cards" were things like the cards described in the "Prepared and Mechanical Cards" chapter of Roterberg's New Era Card Tricks (1897), which include things like mechanically diminishing cards and moving pip cards. Likewise in Hoffmann...
by Marty Demarest
03/09/14 11:09 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: ERDNASE

Leonard and Bob--thanks for your thoughts on the Montana article. I'm glad that you enjoyed it. I'm happy to answer your Dalrymple/Sanders question--but only to an extent. The genealogical material is just too vast to summarize here, and I must give credit to Ben Sanders for doing some heroic work! ...
by Marty Demarest
02/21/14 11:37 AM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: Looking for magic quotes

Error is opposed to truth as deception of reason; illusion is opposed to reality as deception of understanding. --Arthur Schopenhauer, The World as Will and Representation, tr. E.F.J. Payne
by Marty Demarest
02/03/14 08:27 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: Looking for magic quotes
Replies: 46
Views: 6416

Re: ERDNASE

Bob, the article is not available online. But according to the ever-helpful Julie Eng: If you are interested in purchasing a back issue of the Winter 2013 Vol 63, No. 4, Tammy Ryan from subscriptions is a very helpful lady who suggests that you either email her or call her to place your order: Email...
by Marty Demarest
02/03/14 08:22 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: ERDNASE

Via private channels, I have received several questions about an article I wrote that is published in the current (Winter 2013) issue of Montana, the Magazine of Western History. The title of the article, "Montana's Conjurers, Con Men and Card Cheats," sums up the general subject. But the ...
by Marty Demarest
01/31/14 11:21 AM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: MONTANA MAGAZINE OF WESTERN HISTORY

Roger, in the spirit of your slightly pedantic posts, I'd like to point out that you are correct--S.W. Erdnase didn't live in Montana. Erdnase didn't live anywhere. S.W. Erdnase was not a living person. But I think I understand the nature of your comments, and while I'm grateful that you've already ...
by Marty Demarest
01/30/14 04:15 PM
 
Forum: Kaufman & Company
Topic: MONTANA MAGAZINE OF WESTERN HISTORY
Replies: 12
Views: 2298

Re: ERDNASE

The article and photographs of Houdini from "Por Esos Mundos" are the same as printed in "The New Penny Magazine," No. 120, Vol. X. "The New Penny Magazine" doesn't give any date, but a copy in the New York Public Library was sent from Howard Thurston to Saram Ellison i...
by Marty Demarest
01/05/14 10:33 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: ERDNASE

As a side note, Sandy Marshall and I have been conversing in email. Seems Jay had in his collection 2 EATCT from 1918 and one has M.D. Smith's autograph from 1947 in it. The other doesn't. This is interesting considering that Whaley, Gardner and Busby, in The Man Who was Erdnase , state: "This...
by Marty Demarest
09/09/11 09:35 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: ERDNASE

I had a wonderful time at Erdnaseum! Aside from all the Erdnase and food (both of which I have a healthy appetite for), I really devoured R. Paul Wilson's discussion about the viability of Erdnase's cheating techniques, and Jason England's examination of Erdnase's passes. Erdnase invented five passe...
by Marty Demarest
08/31/11 09:17 AM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: ERDNASE

I just read a new edition of one of my favorite books!
by Marty Demarest
08/26/11 06:54 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: ERDNASE

I think Mike Vance forgot to mention the Diagonal Palm-Shifting Contest and the Twelve-Card Stock Run Up Race... I was just sent this link: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://s845.photobucket.com/albums/ab11/joseph_pecore/Erdnase-Sanders%20Stylometric/?start=all">http://s845.photobucket.com/...
by Marty Demarest
08/24/11 08:38 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: ERDNASE

It's disappointing to read that some think Sanders candidacy is "nonsense". Making broad or definitive statements in either direction doesn't help the search at all. I tend to agree with you Roger. (Just catching up... This discussion is really moving along.) However, strong opinions re. ...
by Marty Demarest
08/23/11 04:25 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: ERDNASE

Carlo's recent exploration of the "Erdnase Triange," along with some interesting blog posts by Tom Sawyer (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://rulebooklets.wordpress.com">http://rulebooklets.wordpress.com</a><!-- m -->) have started me thinking about coincidences. David Alexander po...
by Marty Demarest
08/22/11 04:20 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: ERDNASE

Happy 150th Birthday, W.E. Sanders!
by Marty Demarest
08/21/11 09:13 AM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: ERDNASE

Carlo's work is very interesting, and quite in keeping with David Alexander's original research. Fascinating! It points up one of S.W. Erdnase's unquestionable qualities: He disguised his name. Along with being a writer and a self-publisher, we can be fairly certain that S.W. Erdnase disguised his r...
by Marty Demarest
08/20/11 07:16 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: ERDNASE

The Dalrymple family was related to the Edgerton family.

Alas, Bill, it won't be so easy.
by Marty Demarest
08/18/11 05:15 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: ERDNASE

As I mention in Genii, one thing that is notable in James' papers is his correspondence to his brother regarding the posthumous publication of their father's speeches and essays. I find it very telling that James sought Wilbur's advice on self-publishing, even down the quality of the paper used. I s...
by Marty Demarest
08/17/11 08:52 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: LTB Best of Friends, Volume 2

Thanks for the insight, Smurf.
Getting it sorted out.
by Marty Demarest
08/17/11 03:21 PM
 
Forum: Collector's Marketplace
Topic: LTB Best of Friends, Volume 2
Replies: 10
Views: 828

Re: LTB Best of Friends, Volume 2

Sent you a PM.
by Marty Demarest
08/17/11 08:22 AM
 
Forum: Collector's Marketplace
Topic: LTB Best of Friends, Volume 2
Replies: 10
Views: 828

Re: ERDNASE

W.E.'s status as a writer is a crucial detail. We can plausibly debate and question M.D. Smith's testimony, the provenance of first edition copies, Erdnase's actual gambling skills, etc. But anyone who holds a copy of The Expert has two irrefutable pieces of evidence in hand: The author was a writer...
by Marty Demarest
08/16/11 02:12 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: ERDNASE

Jeff, I too am interested in the history of Mutus Nomen. I've done some research, and while it seems to be a very old trick, it proliferated greatly during the early 20th Century. Jack Potter compiled a good bibliography of it in the November 1955 Linking Ring (vol 33, no. 9, p. 78). My main interes...
by Marty Demarest
08/14/11 11:59 AM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: CIA / Espionage / Secret service article help

Just don't tell me he didn't poison a man through his shoes. Some illusions are too good to shatter.
by Marty Demarest
08/14/11 11:05 AM
 
Forum: General
Topic: CIA / Espionage / Secret service article help
Replies: 15
Views: 1762

Re: ERDNASE

VERY sloppy typing. But they remined intentionally.
Sometimes a mistake is just a misteak.
by Marty Demarest
08/14/11 10:56 AM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: CIA / Espionage / Secret service article help

Also: "The War Magician" by David Fisher From the back jacket copy: "Jasper Maskelyne was drinking a glass of razor blades on a London stage when the war began. Recruited to head up the top-secret 'Magic Gang,' he helped write one of the most amazing chapters in the history of warfare...
by Marty Demarest
08/14/11 10:34 AM
 
Forum: General
Topic: CIA / Espionage / Secret service article help
Replies: 15
Views: 1762

Re: ERDNASE

I may have to find some kind of prize for Bob Coyne (who figured out where the rock collection was), Chris Aguilar (who matched Wilbur's images) and Brent Cromley (who, as a good Montanan, recognized The Parrot as the setting for the office video). Good sleuthing, gentlemen. I hope it was fun.
by Marty Demarest
08/14/11 01:13 AM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362

Re: ERDNASE

Bob Coyne very correctly observes that W.E. Sanders uses "scare quotes" as habitually as Erdnase. These are common not only in his published writings, but they're very abundant in the journals as well.
by Marty Demarest
08/14/11 01:03 AM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 2893
Views: 1354362
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