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Re: ERDNASE

... similarities in the the style and content of EATCT's "Preface" versus those of other Drake publications (when Drake purportedly played no role in the book's development). This is interesting and something I don't remember seeing. Do you have any examples of these other Drake prefaces ...
by Bob Coyne
11/12/14 10:43 AM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

If I were named W.E. Sanders and had been working on anagrams of my name for several years, I think the best I could come up with would be E.S. Andrews. It's a perfectly legitimate name and far superior to the awkward S.W. Erdnase. Not necessarily. Part of the purpose of the pseudonym could well be...
by Bob Coyne
10/23/14 07:19 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Views: 1371668

Re: ERDNASE

I just received a copy of Montana and Marty's article. I really enjoyed it -- well worth getting and reading! As Marty mentions, it covers mostly the same ground as the Genii article, but from a different context. Plus there's new stuff also. To my thinking, the most significant piece of information...
by Bob Coyne
02/19/14 07:35 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 3033
Views: 1371668

Re: Holy Crap! Young Cardini Film Footage!

Holy Crap indeed!! So amazing to see this.
by Bob Coyne
02/17/14 01:10 AM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Holy Crap! Young Cardini Film Footage!
Replies: 2
Views: 528

Re: ERDNASE

Marty Demarest wrote:The title of the article, "Montana's Conjurers, Con Men and Card Cheats," sums up the general subject. But the specific focus is on W.E. Sanders and S.W. Erdnase.


Is this article available online in some form?
by Bob Coyne
02/02/14 10:52 AM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Views: 1371668

Re: Do you agree with Tamariz?

For sleight of hand, I learn much better and faster from seeing a performance (including video) than from books. Knowing what the effect looks like is the most important thing, since it guides the rest of the learning process by providing an image of the goal. Once I've seen the effect it doesn't ma...
by Bob Coyne
07/18/13 11:25 PM
 
Forum: Close-Up Magic
Topic: Do you agree with Tamariz?
Replies: 30
Views: 4447

Re: Five-Foot Shelf

One relatively objective factor I think is very important is the number of "citations" to a given book. Aside from indicating that a book is a classic, it is useful to have a frequently cited book on your shelf, otherwise you often won't be able to make full sense out of the citation itsel...
by Bob Coyne
07/15/13 07:52 PM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Five-Foot Shelf
Replies: 32
Views: 2690

Re: Second Dealing Effects?

I like the Black and Red Puzzle in Vernon's Ultimate Secrets.
by Bob Coyne
06/05/13 01:59 AM
 
Forum: Close-Up Magic
Topic: Second Dealing Effects?
Replies: 14
Views: 1186

Re: Should you still use material that you've sold?

I think the crux of the matter comes down to Tom's conception that all movement/actions by the performer are part of what's copyrighted. So if you do a secret move that the audience doesn't perceive, those motions along with all visible/apparent motions are considered choreography and subject to cop...
by Bob Coyne
04/16/13 01:58 PM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Should you still use material that you've sold?
Replies: 127
Views: 4362

Re: Should you still use material that you've sold?

There have been huge changes since -89, and things are still changing. US is more in sync with the rest of the world today than 10 years ago. What's "the rest of the world"? Europe? What about China? Intellectual property is much less protected there. And given China's size, it seems to m...
by Bob Coyne
04/14/13 02:22 PM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Should you still use material that you've sold?
Replies: 127
Views: 4362

Re: Should you still use material that you've sold?

So, you argue that a cooking recipe is an invention, and hence not covered by copyright? Or that a dramatic presentation mainly accomplished through an covert choreography of gaze and sleight of hand also is an invention? Well, your definitions are way off. Recipes and sleights and gimmicks and oth...
by Bob Coyne
04/13/13 03:00 PM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Should you still use material that you've sold?
Replies: 127
Views: 4362

Re: Should you still use material that you've sold?

I don't know why all this is so difficult to comprehend. That a creator has rights to his work is not a new idea, it has been a reality for over 120 years. [...] The comparisons with cookbooks are just attempts to muddle the issue. Cookbooks relate to eating, which is essential for survival, hence ...
by Bob Coyne
04/13/13 07:47 AM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Should you still use material that you've sold?
Replies: 127
Views: 4362

Re: Should you still use material that you've sold?

I think people have gone overboard with notions of ownership that just don't exist. If something is published in a book, the ideas are public information. You're not allowed to make copies (copyright law) but the material itself isn't protected in any other way. If you think there's something wrong ...
by Bob Coyne
04/11/13 07:35 PM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Should you still use material that you've sold?
Replies: 127
Views: 4362

Re: Bill Kalush--Wall Street Journal

Great article, thanks for posting!
by Bob Coyne
03/22/13 05:04 PM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Bill Kalush--Wall Street Journal
Replies: 14
Views: 796

Re: ERDNASE

It seems to me that if this is the deck, then Smith both simplified/abstracted the pattern and rotated it 90 degrees so that the wavy lines go across the width of the deck (rather than across the length of the deck). If you visualize the pattern on the actual deck rotated like that, then I think the...
by Bob Coyne
03/02/13 04:05 AM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 3033
Views: 1371668

Re: Peer Reviewed Journal article about Misdirection, P&T

Yes, the misdirection of the back-and-forth false transfer is pattern based. But the even stronger misdirection of the tilted cup and falling ball isn't really pattern based. So another mechanism is at work for that. Also during the load, Teller clearly has his head turned toward the receiving hand ...
by Bob Coyne
02/14/13 11:13 PM
 
Forum: Alternative Media
Topic: Peer Reviewed Journal article about Misdirection, P&T
Replies: 8
Views: 550

Re: Absurd Cups & Balls Routine!

I thought this was amazing, and a real work of art! It's rare to see something in magic that feels truly new on all levels.
by Bob Coyne
12/12/12 01:25 AM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Absurd Cups & Balls Routine!
Replies: 19
Views: 1811

Re: Card Trimmer Assortment Update 10/26/12

It's great to see pictures of all those old card trimmers. And your inexpensive card trimmer page was very informative. Thanks for sharing all this information!
by Bob Coyne
10/28/12 10:00 PM
 
Forum: Magic History and Anecdotes
Topic: Card Trimmer Assortment Update 10/26/12
Replies: 13
Views: 1417

Re: ERDNASE

Both the authenticity and content of the letter matter. For example it might be authentic (proved by whatever means you wish) but have vague or ambiguous content and not really be that conclusive or illuminating. Conversely, as you note, it could have very specific content saying exactly who Erdnase...
by Bob Coyne
08/26/12 09:53 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 3033
Views: 1371668

Re: ERDNASE

I guess it depends on what it says :-)

But failing absolute certainty, any new evidence one way or the other for any candidate would be great.
by Bob Coyne
08/26/12 08:17 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 3033
Views: 1371668

Re: ERDNASE

Ray Eden wrote:Anyone know anything about the "teaser" Gazzo has dropped about a letter revealing Erdnase's identity?


I just listened to the Gazzo interview on Magic Newswire and heard him mention this letter too. It'll be very interesting to find out if it's for real and what it actually says.
by Bob Coyne
08/26/12 05:07 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 3033
Views: 1371668

Re: The Berglas Effect

Jonathan, just consider a very minimal case where you have two red cards (r1, r2) and two black cards (b1, b2). There are twelve possible, equally likely outcomes: (b1,b2) (b1, r1) (b1, r2) (b2, b1) (b2, r1) (b2, r2) (r1, b1) (r1, b2) (r1, r2) (r2, b1) (r2, b2) (r2, r1). Two of those pairs hit the j...
by Bob Coyne
08/05/12 12:49 AM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: The Berglas Effect
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Views: 10203

Re: The Berglas Effect

The odds of the traditional Out of this Worldwith aces used as indicatorsis one in 2^48 or 281,474,976,710,655 to 1. How did you get that number? If there are fifty two cards, of which twenty six are red and twenty six are black - ... and you deal them down into two piles of twenty four cards - the...
by Bob Coyne
08/05/12 12:14 AM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: The Berglas Effect
Replies: 120
Views: 10203

Re: Magic's Most Prolific Writer

I would agree with RK, but there are two other folks who I think if they had only written the thing they were best known for would also be in the disproportionately influential category. Robert Houdin: his oft quoted aphorism is probably the most quoted description in magic (and perhaps the most of...
by Bob Coyne
05/30/12 08:22 AM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Magic's Most Prolific Writer
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Views: 2722

Re: Has the Real Work on John Scarne's Ace Cutting Been Tipped?

Scarne cuts the aces in this video (around 6:30): <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTjLxhnet6g">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTjLxhnet6g</a><!-- m --> No riffle culling in this -- the aces were together to start with and he controlled them together to the bottom d...
by Bob Coyne
05/18/12 05:26 PM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Has the Real Work on John Scarne's Ace Cutting Been Tipped?
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Views: 2929

Re: Ross Bertram - A Very Sensitive Thumb

That was a beautiful color change -- thanks for posting the clip!
by Bob Coyne
03/15/12 05:00 PM
 
Forum: Close-Up Magic
Topic: Ross Bertram - A Very Sensitive Thumb
Replies: 11
Views: 1193

Re: ERDNASE

I will diverge slightly here to say that David has done exactly what Marty has done.he's taken one of the two main candidates, as proposed by Alexander and Hatch, and he's essentially molded his "proof" to fit the candidate. But the difference is that the *profile* for Sanders was created...
by Bob Coyne
12/14/11 09:19 AM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Views: 1371668

Re: ERDNASE

So who else has read the new issue of Magicol? Any thoughts? Not to minimize the information and research behind it, but I think most of the info about ES Andrews was already posted here or elsewhere. It seemed familiar to me anyway. So it wasn't at all the "wow" experience I had when rea...
by Bob Coyne
12/05/11 12:18 AM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

It would be great to learn what, if anything, Sanders' father or anyone else, for that matter, wrote about him. It really doesn't have to be about cards or magic to be useful. Any information about his interests, skills, habits, travels, acquaintances, personality, etc could help add detail and put ...
by Bob Coyne
09/01/11 09:46 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 3033
Views: 1371668

Re: ERDNASE

Was all of Mine Timbering used as input? Or just Sanders' section?
by Bob Coyne
08/25/11 05:32 AM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

As Carl Morpurgo noted, David Alexander provided a vision. That vision and a lot of work allowed him to uncover some tantalizing initial evidence which Marty has added to tremendously. What David did is amazing and a sign of real brilliance (at least to those of us who find the Sanders case compelli...
by Bob Coyne
08/24/11 01:41 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

"If Erdnase had arranged it as Carlo did, wouldn't it have been too obvious to ascertain his real name? There was a deliberate reason for the pyramid shape of the title page. If Erdnase designed it that way for purely aesthetic reasons, then we have a hell of a coincidence. If not, we have W.E...
by Bob Coyne
08/22/11 11:34 AM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

Can someone point out what I am meant to see in carlos's picture? Reading on iPhone. Perhaps it isn't visible so readily there? The nine lines of text that says "Embracing the whole calendar..." were all shifted left or right so that a vertical column of letters spells out "WESANDERS...
by Bob Coyne
08/20/11 10:27 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Views: 1371668

Re: ERDNASE

A few days ago in this thread, David Ben said "Hopefully the next issue of Magicol will provide some clarity to this debate. I am in the process of assembling the issue for layout now." David more recently in this thread asked Marty for documentation to support the new claim that the Edger...
by Bob Coyne
08/20/11 10:20 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

...the following extracts have been exhumed from their obscure place of burial Ah, perhaps this is the same place where one can also exhume some "antiquated moss-covered ruses" :-) ...data culled in a measure from geologic reports and folios of the region Undoubtably via the Erdnase Syste...
by Bob Coyne
08/20/11 06:19 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Views: 1371668

Re: ERDNASE

Glad you (and others) found it interesting...but I am not entirely convinced about the "a posteriori" probability argument, just based on occurrences of letters. You'd have to think about the fact that letters cannot be randomly chosen, they need to form words, and words need to form sent...
by Bob Coyne
08/20/11 03:00 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 3033
Views: 1371668

Re: ERDNASE

This is interesting! Here's one simple way to think about the chances. If we assume the constraint of the typography making the pyramid of the same shape and size, then the number of letters on each line is fixed. Ignoring spaces, the first line has 38 letters, the second has 29, etc. We can then ca...
by Bob Coyne
08/20/11 12:56 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

I've been looking more at the similarity of language used by Sanders and Erdnase. Sanders' chapter (50 pages) in Mine Timbering (MT) is actually quite similar to the technical descriptions in Erdnase (EATCT) in tone, terminology, and clarity. The prefaces and introductory sections in both works also...
by Bob Coyne
08/19/11 10:46 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 3033
Views: 1371668

Re: ERDNASE

Marty Demarest wrote:The Dalrymple family was related to the Edgerton family.


Wow, that's quite a big bit of news!! Solid evidence for it? Close enough relation to have been known and mentioned to Smith by Erdnase/Sanders?
by Bob Coyne
08/18/11 07:29 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Views: 1371668

Re: ERDNASE

"It sufficeth to say that only the innate and in(co)herent modesty of the objective subject of this 'story of a life' prevents the Class Historian (officially -- when writing of Billy Sanders) from dealing in higher superlatives than these hereinafter detailed, specified and contained, to wit:...
by Bob Coyne
08/18/11 07:51 AM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 3033
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