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Re: ERDNASE

I can confirm that the blue hb with black script title that recently sold on eBay was indeed 178 pages, no other interesting provenance or markings, no ads in back or address listed.

John Bodine
by John Bodine
01/17/15 08:59 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

I am only aware of 2 different black script variants, both blue. The black script I know of have 178 pages and no advertisements and don't include any date at the front of the book. The estimate of the printing year is based on when Drake dropped down to 178 pages and the first 178 page versions wer...
by John Bodine
01/09/15 05:01 PM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

Rick, it is probably the c1918 with periwinkle blue boards. The light blue is certainly a different shade but it's hard to tell just looking at an uploaded picture.

I'll let you know. ;)
by John Bodine
01/08/15 08:10 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

The variant that just sold on eBay was in all likelihood c1918 with 178 pages. There were a number of HB variants with the script title, some dated 1905 with 205 pages and others later with 178 pages. I know of the following: 1905 - embossed plum cloth 1905 - embossed red cloth (may be the same as p...
by John Bodine
01/08/15 08:07 PM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

I don't thinks I've ever seen anyone identify the font used in the first edition, perhaps identifying the font could help us understand what type of printing process was originally used. I'm also not familiar with the printing processes at the time but in looking at the drake variants in comparison ...
by John Bodine
12/22/14 05:50 PM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

The blocks of text match in a first edition and the 4 different 1905 Drake copies I have. Block: 3.5" x 5.75" I don't have a good set of calipers so the next numbers are approximate, all measurements taken from page 31 and include the section text. First edition Top margin: .75" Botto...
by John Bodine
12/22/14 12:09 AM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

Not about typesetting but about binding. A while back I spoke with someone who has done lots of research on the Oz books (first printed and published in 1899/1900) and he has found that it was not uncommon for a printing house to print many copies of the signatures but not bind them all immediately....
by John Bodine
09/08/14 11:52 PM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

Regarding page 5, the number 5 was clear on the first edition first printing but my 1905 dated copies all have the 5 all but gone, just a little bit of I but not at all discernible. By c1918, none of the copies I have show signs of the number 5 at the bottom of the page. The first time the wording i...
by John Bodine
09/08/14 10:48 PM
 
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Re: ERDNASE

Marty, thank you for all your contributions,,I look forward to the new book I believe that between Jason England's collection and my collection of various printings we have the most complete printed history of Erdnase. I have been assembling a document that lists all of the known (to me) variants an...
by John Bodine
09/06/14 06:28 PM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

And here is a book that lists E.S. Andrews as the printer/publisher out of Michigan.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/380837487716
by John Bodine
08/18/14 01:25 PM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

Reading through the book again and I'm curious to know if anyone has researched or created a family tree of shifts. Specifically, the author claims to have created a number of the shifts in the book but perhaps there is something to be learned about the author by tracing backward from the shifts. Fo...
by John Bodine
07/26/14 06:34 PM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

And some day I'll put online the complete (as complete as I know of) list of variants. I have listed over 90 variants.

Now who has some of those 1905's to fill the gaps in my collection! ;)

John Bodine
by John Bodine
05/17/14 09:34 PM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

It's by "Read Books" out of the UK, printed in 2013. It is indeed the cover, 226 pages, includes a 3 page intro discussing magic and a few of the greats in magic. This is followed by1.5 pages about Erdnase referencing potential candidates and possible reasons to remain anonymous. Paperback...
by John Bodine
05/17/14 09:30 PM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

I also found a 1903 reference to Drake at 350-352 Wabash in "the complete songster" with copies of "The Expert" priced at $1. This book also includes the same Allied printing bug Found in the earlier copies of Erdnase. And now my memory tells me Dick Hatch has already done all of...
by John Bodine
05/24/12 02:36 AM
 
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Re: ERDNASE

October 20, 1920, 1004 Michigan Ave. (Scientific American)
January 1931, 179 N Michigan Ave. (Popular Mechanics)

I didn't do much digging to find the earliest referenced date for these addresses but include them here as I referenced printing variants with these addresses.
by John Bodine
05/24/12 02:19 AM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

I should also add that I am aware of 10 different dated 1905 variants (assuming the plum and red are indeed different) and 7 undatd variants circa 1917-1918. Beginning in 1934 still at 179 N. Michigan and until 1937 Drake put the date back on the title page although not on every printing variant. I ...
by John Bodine
05/23/12 01:32 AM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

Hi Tom, thank you for the great information on dates that Drake operated. Many years ago Dick Hatch was kind enough to send me his notes on various printings/variants and I have expanded on it as I try to understand and catalog all of the different versions available to the public. Below are example...
by John Bodine
05/23/12 01:23 AM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

For what it's worth, there are at least 6 different versions of the c1918 edition. I say circa because there is no date on that edition. Slight variations include different ads on the back, KH with and without the pips, number of blank pages, green/grey paper wraps, and 1 HB edition in light blue cl...
by John Bodine
09/12/11 05:34 PM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

Hi Rick, those sound like great editions. M.D. Smith was at the '47 SAM convention and signed books. I have a nice 1905 with his signature but not signed to anyone specific. Not sure how many he signed there but am assuming it was a relatively small number. Now to find a first edition with Sanders a...
by John Bodine
08/29/11 01:58 PM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

For the detail oriented, the edition of The Expert on the cover of this months Genii is the facsimile edition.

Great article, thank you Marty and Richard and all other contributors. I can't wait to see what comes next!
by John Bodine
08/28/11 12:07 AM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: Cannot login on iPad

Hi Dan, Thanks for the response. i haven't activated, and just looked around and found what i need to do to activate. Now to get that access code! FYI, for others who need to activate, instructions can be found at <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://geniimagazine.com/help/activateigenii/">htt...
by John Bodine
04/22/11 02:41 PM
 
Forum: iGenii
Topic: Cannot login on iPad
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Views: 1915

Re: Cannot login on iPad

Same problem for me, have waited several days since re-logging in to Ask Alexander as well. i'll try again through the weekend but after the initial 2 days it still does not seem to work.
by John Bodine
04/21/11 06:30 PM
 
Forum: iGenii
Topic: Cannot login on iPad
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Views: 1915

Re: ERDNASE

Hi David and Clay, i immediately subscribed to Magicol when i heard about the article. i have no problem whatsoever supporting magazines of this nature, creators, and contributors, authors, publishers, etc. i would love to continue the discussion on the TED model but don't feel it is appropriate in ...
by John Bodine
04/07/11 12:30 PM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

i for one would love to see discussions and lectures of this nature put online for all to see, follow the TED model. i suspect attendance would not decrease, but instead the interest in subscriptions would in fact increase. At any rate, as one of a short list of Erdnase collectors i am very sad i wo...
by John Bodine
04/06/11 07:35 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: Erdnase

i guess i'm wondering why this article would have been written in the first place. Was there a real "mystery" that was needed to be solved? i highly doubt someone dodging a game occasionally would merit an article in the newspaper, but i don't know enough about the circulation or popularit...
by John Bodine
03/14/11 04:14 PM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Public Show - Wayne Houchin and Aaron Fisher in San Jose

Great show by two great artists. Come join Wayne Houchin and Aaron Fisher on the stage at the Jose Theater, an old vaudevillian stage where Harry Houdini once performed. Follow the link for more details.

Wayne Houchin and Aaron Fisher on stage
by John Bodine
02/28/11 06:58 PM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Public Show - Wayne Houchin and Aaron Fisher in San Jose
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Re: Dan and Dave, Coming home.

Kent is dead on here. Dan and Dave put together a fantastic lecture and show patience beyond their years. While the broadest appeal of their material is to the younger card-star set, there was something for everyone, even the 60+ year-olds who fell asleep during parts of the lecture. Clearly it was ...
by John Bodine
01/14/11 06:19 PM
 
Forum: Magician's Local Hangouts
Topic: Dan and Dave, Coming home.
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Re: Erdnase

i don't have my notes in front of me but further evidence suggesting the author focused efforts first on the Artifice section come from a study of the shifts. First, he states that a shift has yet to be devised... yet many of the shifts are stated as original to the author. Most of these shifts (all...
by John Bodine
12/14/10 06:58 PM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: Erdnase

Thanks for the information on the SAM Convention Jeff. i remember seeing a picture, maybe in TMWWE, of Smith with several magicians, signing copies of the book. Would love to get more information about the convention, handouts, etc. but imagine most of it is in the Gardner-Smith correspondence or TM...
by John Bodine
11/03/10 05:31 PM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: Erdnase

i think the Dr. E.S. Andrews is a bit too old but a doctors hands would certainly be kept in good shape. He had 3 sons, 2 of which i've found names for and neither was an E.S. but perhaps the third son... On a separate note... i believe Marshall Smith attended the SAM convention in May of 1947. Any ...
by John Bodine
10/22/10 02:04 PM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: Erdnase

Has anyone researched the E.S. Andrews who wrote "Andrews' Mercantile Protective Method" in 1889 as mentioned in the Sessional Papers of the Parliament of Canada? <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://books.google.com/books?id=WTxOAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA6-PA3&dq=e.s.+andrews&hl=en&...
by John Bodine
10/11/10 08:16 PM
 
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Re: Erdnase

Thanks Leonard, i guess by thoughts i meant any new thoughts or leads on this. In my haste i clearly left the intent out.

i'd also be interested in any developments from Todd Karr and Dick Hatch!

-johnbodine
by John Bodine
09/28/10 07:09 PM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: Erdnase

Anyone seen this work by Richard Wiseman? Thoughts?

http://www.richardwiseman.com/erdnase.html
by John Bodine
09/28/10 05:24 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: Erdnase

Sebastien, it's a very complicated ecosystem and with 100 million active users and an equal number of items on the site policing is complicated. That being said, people are working on these problems every day. PM me if you have any questions or suggestions, i am always looking for ideas and now hold...
by John Bodine
05/12/10 07:45 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Views: 1387071

Re: Erdnase

Regarding the listing that sold this week, eBay does not have the resources to police every listing to ensure what is pictured is what is as described, that is the sellers responsibility. 100 million listings makes that a pretty difficult task. In this case, if the buyer receives the item and realiz...
by John Bodine
04/30/10 05:10 PM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: Gathering for Gardner

Someone please say hello to Dale Seymour for me, he's taken with him a wonderful large piece of art.

-johnbodine
by John Bodine
03/25/10 08:56 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: Gathering for Gardner
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Views: 1200

Re: Erdnase

Jonathan's inquiry as to whether or not other magicians are mentioned is a valid direction to pursue. i would also add it would be worth looking at names who might have been associated with Todd Karr's candidate or perhaps known gamblers of the time/place. As for legit, i think Jonathan was referrin...
by John Bodine
03/17/10 12:46 PM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: ERDNASE

Curious to know if there has been any thought put into the use of acorns on the spine and front of the book. Was this stylized acorn (pair) common? Has anyone come across other books, magic or otherwise, using this acorn? Perhaps from the same original printer? Finally, there are two of these embell...
by John Bodine
12/04/09 04:59 PM
 
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Re: Cost of Erdnase when it first came out?

Perhaps worth noting is the fact that this first advertisement cost the submitter $4 and was apparently available through Vernelo & Company 282 Michigan (Hilliar) as no contact information was provided for reaching the author. The second ad, half the size of the first at 1/8 of a page contained ...
by John Bodine
12/04/09 04:52 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: Cost of Erdnase when it first came out?
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Views: 900

Re: Starting up my old blog

It looks nice in that video. As for the change, most don't carefully read the description in Erdnase. Getting into the effect is equal in importance to the mechanics of the change. It should also be noted that Erdnase does not claim credit for this change. Erdnase, near as i can tell, takes credit f...
by John Bodine
11/15/09 03:57 PM
 
Forum: Link Watch
Topic: Starting up my old blog
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Views: 1055
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