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Re: University course for magicians

(Non-EU citizens are also welcome, but unfortunately not free but to a cost of about 7000 USD). Turns out they accidentally had written a wrong amount. The cost is 36000 SEK (about 4000 USD) for non-EU citizens. Depending on your nationality and your government’s views on education you might be eli...
by Tom Stone
03/12/15 08:34 PM
 
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Topic: University course for magicians
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Re: University course for magicians

FISM prize winners like Charlie Caper, Robert Jägerhorn and others took this course last year, and they might return for the continuation Magic 2 that will be given in parallell to Magic 1. There will be a good crowd for those three weeks.
by Tom Stone
03/11/15 02:10 PM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: University course for magicians
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University course for magicians

An university course for experienced magicians will be given this summer in Stockholm. Three weeks fulltime, June 8-30 . Like any other university course, is free of charge for EU citizens. (Non-EU citizens are also welcome, but unfortunately not free but to a cost of about 7000 USD). Johan Ståhl an...
by Tom Stone
03/11/15 11:01 AM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: University course for magicians
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Re: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?

It gets us nowhere to suggest that traditional practices aren't traditional practices because we did not establish that tradition. To have a christmas tree at christmas is a traditional practice. I did not establish that tradition. I don't follow it either. So far there have not been a single perso...
by Tom Stone
02/06/15 05:44 PM
 
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Topic: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?
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Re: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?

I wonder if Teller's case might be used in the future as a precedent. He was protecting the public performance of a trick of which he owned the copyright (not the explanation/mechanics of the trick but the description of the trick performed that was conveying emotions, actions and feelings by gestu...
by Tom Stone
02/06/15 05:36 PM
 
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Topic: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?
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Re: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?

IanLand wrote:To be clear: I am enormously grateful to all those who have published their inventions. They enrich magic by doing so. It's why I'm scrupulous in crediting.

Yes!

I apologize for calling you a "crook". I was wrong in doing so.
by Tom Stone
02/06/15 05:15 PM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?
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Re: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?

Let me state unequivocally that, as one of the more active publishers and writers of magic books, the only artist whose work I have published who sought permission to perform a trick in a book was Michael Weber. That was in 1991. There have been several releases since then with similar limitations....
by Tom Stone
02/06/15 04:51 PM
 
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Topic: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?
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Re: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?

He didn't strike me as the kind of man who worried too much about licensing. He was an inventor and tweaker, someone who was happy to publish and see his routines and ideas adopted by others. I can't imagine him ever seeking to limit what others did with his ideas, Yes, and that generosity means no...
by Tom Stone
02/06/15 04:24 PM
 
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Topic: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?
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Re: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?

But specifically, my point stands. Multiple selection routines are quite common and quite old. Helder Guimarães thinks his great value beyond that which is commonly and freely available. As a matter of curiosity (not because I want to steal it, perform it, or deprive him of any rights), I wonder wh...
by Tom Stone
02/06/15 03:59 PM
 
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Topic: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?
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Re: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?

I don't recall seeing Alex writing that his count could not be used without his permission. So I don't see why you felt the need to ask for it. Already in early 90's there were those who said that... A: That it is a practical impossibility to follow the same copyright rules that are established wit...
by Tom Stone
02/06/15 03:06 PM
 
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Topic: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?
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Re: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?

Your line "I have no reason to believe I use it against anyone's will" covers this whole area pefectly. A situation clearly stated as "To use my material in these particular circumstances are against my will" is perfectly covered by the line "I have no reason to believe I u...
by Tom Stone
02/06/15 02:27 PM
 
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Topic: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?
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Re: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?

I look forward to reviews that describe the routine in enough detail to make clear exactly what is protectable. The plot is old (Malini did multiple selections) and is clearly public domain; sleights aren't protectable; and most people who would lay out this kind of money for a routine and then per...
by Tom Stone
02/06/15 02:10 PM
 
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Topic: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?
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Re: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?

Have you ever done an Elmsley Count, or a classic pass, or a top palm, or a Charlier Pass, or a Mexican Turnover, or a Jordan Count, or performed a routine not entirely of your own devising? Classic pass, top palm, Charlier Pass, Mexican Turnover, Jordan Count are in public domain. I've had these k...
by Tom Stone
02/06/15 01:40 PM
 
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Topic: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?
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Re: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?

In that case you too are a crook. Unless you want to claim that you have never adapted a routine you read in a book, or you want to claim that you have invented every move you use in every routine you have devised. We all use things we have read, all the time. That is not what this discussion is ab...
by Tom Stone
02/06/15 10:12 AM
 
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Topic: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?
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Re: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?

IanLand wrote:For the sake of clarity, my view on the published record is pretty much the same as that of any sensible adult: if a magician publishes a book, the contents of that book are no longer in that magician's control.

That is not the view of a sensible adult, that's the view of a crook.
by Tom Stone
02/06/15 09:54 AM
 
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Topic: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?
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Re: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?

But here's the rub. The license agreement is between Half Half Man and the original buyer of the book. If I buy a second hand copy, how can their agreement about performance rights possibly apply to me? The agreement about performance rights do not apply to a second hand buyer, so you would not hav...
by Tom Stone
02/06/15 09:50 AM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?
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Re: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?

There are a lot of things about how copyright works in the real world that would surprise you, I bet. One country out of 160+ is considered the real world? Change it from recording on CD to being used in a stage show, and from Prince to My Fair Lady, and I guess it is enough to be outside the realm...
by Tom Stone
02/06/15 09:31 AM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?
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Re: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?

But here's the rub. The license agreement is between Half Half Man and the original buyer of the book. If I buy a second hand copy, how can their agreement about performance rights possibly apply to me? The agreement about performance rights do not apply to a second hand buyer, so you would not hav...
by Tom Stone
02/06/15 01:43 AM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?
Replies: 99
Views: 7104

Re: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?

That's a really bad example if you are trying to make the point that the artist can completely control the distribution of the work. The U.S. has compulsory licensing of musical works like this. I can buy the sheet music, record a CD, pay the appropriate royalties, and Prince can do absolutely noth...
by Tom Stone
02/06/15 01:38 AM
 
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Topic: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?
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Re: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?

I doubt very much those rights limitations are enforceable That is a thought that likely only occur to those who want to ignore the rights limitations. Honest people don't search for loopholes like that. What an incredible assumption of bad faith. No, it the most reasonable assumption. Ian Land's p...
by Tom Stone
02/06/15 12:34 AM
 
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Topic: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?
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Re: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?

The law only recognizes established laws and precedents. It doesn't matter what you sign--if the law doesn't recognize it, it cannot be enforced. Access to someone else's artistic work is not a human right, like civil rights or anything like that. It is the artist who decides if, when and how his w...
by Tom Stone
02/05/15 10:54 PM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?
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Views: 7104

Re: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?

I doubt very much those rights limitations are enforceable That is a thought that likely only occur to those who want to ignore the rights limitations. Honest people don't search for loopholes like that. There's nothing dishonest about upholding your consumer rights. If a performer doesn't want oth...
by Tom Stone
02/05/15 08:31 PM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?
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Views: 7104

Re: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?

IanLand wrote:I doubt very much those rights limitations are enforceable

That is a thought that likely only occur to those who want to ignore the rights limitations. Honest people don't search for loopholes like that.
by Tom Stone
02/05/15 06:55 PM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?
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Re: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?

The whole point of a direct mail campaign is 'follow up' - at least three and preferably seven pieces. It is alright to break the rules in any discipline providing (a) you are a natural genius, or, (b) you know and understand why the rules are there in the first place. I have no doubt the products ...
by Tom Stone
02/05/15 12:05 PM
 
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Topic: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?
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Re: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?

A website should convey information or make a sale and it should be obvious within the first three seconds that you have found a site that will be of interest to you. (SNIP) I have no doubt that with such creative magicians behind this that the resulting products will be first class but please do n...
by Tom Stone
02/05/15 11:13 AM
 
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Topic: Half Half Man ... Your Thoughts?
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Re: Tommy Wonder on Tom Stone

why do you guys keep saying magic tricks are not theater and then describe how much acting it takes to make it "art"? I thought misdirection, redirection of attention took more than looking at the hand you're not up to something with. You can use a pen to write calculus, and you can use a...
by Tom Stone
12/22/14 08:07 PM
 
Forum: Reference Room
Topic: Tommy Wonder on Tom Stone
Replies: 63
Views: 6786

Re: Tommy Wonder on Tom Stone

So - I hope he keeps doing whatever works for him. You should perform more, Joe. That's the main way to understand this (or any) art. Thinking that the script is the main thing shows a shallow understanding of what we do. What we do is mainly choreographical in nature, in combination with psycholog...
by Tom Stone
12/21/14 10:19 PM
 
Forum: Reference Room
Topic: Tommy Wonder on Tom Stone
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Views: 6786

Re: Tommy Wonder on Tom Stone

We offer wonder and magic. But to the audience - they still mostly see magic as a puzzle to be solved. Who cares how the audience views it? They are not participating in the creation of the pieces. Well, that might be true if there was no audience - in which case you'd be performing entirely for yo...
by Tom Stone
12/21/14 08:06 PM
 
Forum: Reference Room
Topic: Tommy Wonder on Tom Stone
Replies: 63
Views: 6786

Re: Tommy Wonder on Tom Stone

Tom Stone, if you're still reading, I mentioned Rob Zabrecky in an earlier post. Some of his best material is his handling of stuff in Maelstrom. So it's a pleasure to "meet" you. Yes, I was present at the lunch at the Magic Castle in 2012, when Jon Armstrong turned to Rob Zabrecky and sa...
by Tom Stone
12/21/14 05:26 PM
 
Forum: Reference Room
Topic: Tommy Wonder on Tom Stone
Replies: 63
Views: 6786

Re: Tommy Wonder on Tom Stone

We offer wonder and magic. But to the audience - they still mostly see magic as a puzzle to be solved. Who cares how the audience views it? They are not participating in the creation of the pieces. It seems your viewpoint is that magic is intended to be some kind of ingratiating, sycophantic and se...
by Tom Stone
12/21/14 05:12 PM
 
Forum: Reference Room
Topic: Tommy Wonder on Tom Stone
Replies: 63
Views: 6786

Re: Tommy Wonder on Tom Stone

So - magic is aiming for the same goals as a 'self-help motivational speaker'? I am not trying to be snarky - I am just trying to get a picture on how magic can be used to inspire somebody or provide meaning to their lives? None of your arguments make any sense, Joe. You are comparing things from o...
by Tom Stone
12/21/14 03:53 PM
 
Forum: Reference Room
Topic: Tommy Wonder on Tom Stone
Replies: 63
Views: 6786

Re: Tommy Wonder on Tom Stone

Joe Mckay wrote:I am a big fan of Tommy Wonder.

But I always felt his goal in magic was quite shallow.

Joe, you are an idiot!
For some reason, you don't want magic to be an art in itself, but rather to be subordinate some other art.
Well, it isn't.
by Tom Stone
12/20/14 07:56 PM
 
Forum: Reference Room
Topic: Tommy Wonder on Tom Stone
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Re: Tommy Wonder on Tom Stone

Suresh wrote:Question: When, where and in what context did Tommy Wonder say the above?

On Bruce Barnett's Electronic Grymoire in 2002 (or 2003). He was talking about the release of my ebook "Tracking Mr. Fogg".
by Tom Stone
12/19/14 02:47 PM
 
Forum: Reference Room
Topic: Tommy Wonder on Tom Stone
Replies: 63
Views: 6786

Re: Notes on Mandrake the Magician

It's Charlie Miller.
by Tom Stone
11/22/14 09:07 PM
 
Forum: Magic History and Anecdotes
Topic: Notes on Mandrake the Magician
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Views: 942

Re: Wonder what Rudy Coby thinks of this...

And this is my friend Axel's rendition:
https://vimeo.com/77777101
by Tom Stone
11/16/14 08:04 AM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Wonder what Rudy Coby thinks of this...
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Re: Identity of this "Camp/Gay" magician please

SOOOOOOO many things continue to relegate the field of magic to craft and novelty versus art. The horrific penchant for cheesy dance I mentioned earlier is one - and much more prevalent that Hobson's particular brand of presentation. Cartoonish Illusionists-style ensemble shows with their quasi-sup...
by Tom Stone
11/09/14 01:04 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: Identity of this "Camp/Gay" magician please
Replies: 141
Views: 17082

Re: Identity of this

...there are many parallels in this debate to "adult entertainment" Perhaps, but if so, it is missing a significant parallel: Consensuality. I'm not a rapist. I'm not!... I was once... I'm not anymore... [ogles a woman/man] but I could be again. [laughs from the audience] There will alway...
by Tom Stone
11/09/14 07:05 AM
 
Forum: General
Topic: Identity of this "Camp/Gay" magician please
Replies: 141
Views: 17082

Re: Identity of this "Camp/Gay" magician please

If Hobson is selling out and "we're" the only ones raising a huge stink, that says more about us than him. Yes, let's all display more of that kind of predatory sexuality in our acts. Let's make it a renaissance for the brassiere trick, and add more lewd remarks that just barely qualifies...
by Tom Stone
11/08/14 03:16 PM
 
Forum: General
Topic: Identity of this "Camp/Gay" magician please
Replies: 141
Views: 17082

Re: DelGaudio Sez

Q. Kumber wrote:I don't believe I'm familiar with Max Maven's SEAK.

Any clues, please?

In Thabbatical:
http://www.geniimagazine.com/magicpedia/Thabbatical

Its structure is as beautiful and amazing as Tommy Wonder's 3'rd Nest of Boxes.
by Tom Stone
11/04/14 07:58 AM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: DelGaudio Sez
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Views: 7009

Re: DelGaudio Sez

'SEAK' is a great trick. I think we can both agree why magic is great and enjoyable. But for some reason it doesn't strike me as being art. I guess it comes down to how you define art? Yes, exactly! If you define it only as "something that sounds nice", you exclude most of the world for n...
by Tom Stone
11/04/14 01:51 AM
 
Forum: Buzz
Topic: DelGaudio Sez
Replies: 101
Views: 7009
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