The Genii Forum

IanLand

I'd vote for Marlo, simply by volume of material (and a large percentage of it is good stuff, for sure). But Roy Walton should probably be on the list, as should Alex Elmsley. They have both contributed huge numbers of plots and ideas which have entered into wide circulation.

IanLand

I'm reading it now instead of doing things I should be doing. Outstanding book, Bob.

IanLand

My copy is due to arrive tomorrow. I'm quite excited.

IanLand

A quick update. This idea isn't dead, but it has been sleeping quite heavily. Lots of other things got in the way. But it's coming back to the top of the list. It may end up as an ebook rather than a printed book, however. Will keep everyone posted.

IanLand

Richard's description of Blackpool as a bleak and cold pisshole is very unfair. During the summer it is a bleak and sometimes warm pisshole.

IanLand

Still - it is deeper than that. Since magic is not a display of skill. But an attempt to fool people. And when you are successfully fooled - you are at a complete loss as to what the explanation could be. As a sideline, one thing I find interesting is how much card magic has changed in the last 30 ...

IanLand

Yowsah. It's my birthday in March too.

IanLand

Most of what we consider outright "theft" occurs at the hobbyist level... a level often so deficient in skill that the their material would be unrecognizable when well executed. Fortunately, only friends and family are typically subject to this "singing in the shower." That's la...

IanLand

Neither of them had a decent Triumph routine, I know that much.

IanLand

Richard, do you know if there's video of Derek doing it? Google doesn't find anything.

IanLand

Looking at the Ammar performance again, the Triumph bit of the kicker does get a bit lost in the Ace/flush production, it almost doesn't need to be there. I think this was always my doubt about the routine. Having said that, the kicker plays stronger in his hands than it read to me on the page, for ...

IanLand

Just found the Ammar Tonight Show performance on YouTube. Yeah, nothing wrong with that.

IanLand

I've never seen anyone perform Rollover Aces, I don't think. I admit it didn't grab me when I read it. No doubt Derek made it great. Shame I never got to see him.

IanLand

Looking back through my old notebooks I'm guilty of shoe-horning Triumph onto a whole range of other effects, thus weakening the impact of both for no great purpose

IanLand

Hahaha. That gets complicated...

IanLand

I suspect it's virtually impossible to combine Triumph and riffle stacking in a way which is original. Both elements have many well-documented methods, and the likelihood is any method will simply be a mash-up of what's already in print somewhere. Even if the specific use of this Triumph with that r...

IanLand

In Thee Olden Dayes of Yore (1980s) I rarely got to see any of my heroes actually perform, unless they lectured in London. I remember seeing the Marlo video in 1982 and being ridiculously excited to finally get a chance to see him work, to hear him speak. The only person I knew who had a video playe...

IanLand

Leaving aside presentational questions, there are so many possible ways to do this effect - combine Triumph with some stacking - that it seems unnecessary to want to reproduce somebody else's method. Better to find your own handling. Although I agree with Richard it's not that strong an effect. Rick...

IanLand

Exactly right. Even when the cane or the card productions are done flawlessly, or with presentations which attempt to do something new with them, the basic problem is that these are no longer magic effects, because absolutely everybody can tell how they are done. When I first got into magic over 40 ...

IanLand

Extra long thumb tip.

IanLand

I'm in the meh camp. Has anyone ever been fooled by a dancing cane routine? Impressed, maybe, by the technical aspects, but fooled? To be honest, the same goes for a few classic staples.

IanLand

I'm 50 in as few weeks, can I have a copy as a present?

(Worth a try...)

IanLand

Thanks for the apology Tom, it is very much appreciated.

IanLand

Tom Stone wrote:Yes, and that generosity means nothing to you?

I really have no idea how you can conclude that from anything I have said.

To be clear: I am enormously grateful to all those who have published their inventions. They enrich magic by doing so. It's why I'm scrupulous in crediting.

IanLand

I bought my original 1967 copy of Elmsley's 4 Card Trick ms. from Davenport's in about 1977. When I asked Alex to sign it for me when I first met him around 1980 I commented that I was probably one of a very small number of people who used his count who had actually paid him to do so (assuming he wa...

IanLand

El Mystico wrote:Meanwhile - is that the Ian Land who used to publish in Pabular etc? You seem to have been gone for a long time - welcome back.

It is, thanks for the welcome. Life got in the way for a long time, but I'm working on stuff again.

IanLand

Thank you Richard, your intervention is appreciated.

IanLand

Have you ever done an Elmsley Count, or a classic pass, or a top palm, or a Charlier Pass, or a Mexican Turnover, or a Jordan Count, or performed a routine not entirely of your own devising? If yes, do you have explicit written permission in every case to do this? Of course you don't, and I don't be...

IanLand

OK, that's interesting, and I didn't know that. Doesn't change the basic point, however. Generally speaking what Bill says holds true, as far as I know.

IanLand

In that case you too are a crook. Unless you want to claim that you have never adapted a routine you read in a book, or you want to claim that you have invented every move you use in every routine you have devised. We all use things we have read, all the time. Sorry, but you simply have a completely...

IanLand

"One country out of 160+ is considered the real world?" The law Bill cites is the same in the UK and also in most of Europe. Provided you pay the relevant royalties, you generally do not have to seek permission from the writer of a published piece of music before recording your own version...

IanLand

"Ah, so you are one of those dishonest crooks? Good to know!" "No, it the most reasonable assumption. Ian Land's post tells me he's a person that can't be trusted with anything not nailed down". Tom, you might want to apologise to me for libelling me twice on a public forum. Luck...

IanLand

I doubt very much those rights limitations are enforceable That is a thought that likely only occur to those who want to ignore the rights limitations. Honest people don't search for loopholes like that. There's nothing dishonest about upholding your consumer rights. If a performer doesn't want oth...

IanLand

I doubt very much those rights limitations are enforceable Maybe not, but making it explicit that you "agree" to the terms when you purchase probably helps their case. I don't know about US law, but I think in the UK at least agreeing to terms which are not enforceable makes no difference...

IanLand

I doubt very much those rights limitations are enforceable

IanLand

Great stuff. Susskind seems pleasantly oiled.

IanLand

I met Billy when I was about 13, in the late 1970s. I lived in London, and my parents signed me up for a day school at a central London theatre. There were about 20 kids there that day. Billy was the teacher. The first trick he taught us was a torn and restored napkin which to this day I still somet...

IanLand

"Digital cameras and home-based software became tools accessible to the majority of people, and, therefore, publishing became something easy and affordable to almost everyone, without the involvement of any third party." While there's a lot of rubbish on YouTube, and far too many effects, ...

IanLand

Have you considered a meat raffle?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meat_raffle

IanLand

How well do they faro?

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