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by jkeyes1000
August 10th, 2017, 5:01 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Your Go to Trick or Routine
Replies: 61
Views: 3163

Re: Your Go to Trick or Routine

jkeyes, i don't think you understand anything about magic or how it works. You clearly don't understand anything about the hoy principle. i wish i could help you. But i know that you are incapable of learning. you are the student whose cup is already full. Perhaps when you get older and mature some...
by jkeyes1000
August 10th, 2017, 10:32 am
Forum: General
Topic: Your Go to Trick or Routine
Replies: 61
Views: 3163

Re: Your Go to Trick or Routine

Perhaps I over-explain things, Mark. It is very straightforward, virtually the same as any book test from the audience's perspective. I like to think that it is more "honest" and transparent-seeming than most. Like I said, the concept is to dispel the notion that it is a trick. This natura...
by jkeyes1000
August 10th, 2017, 10:13 am
Forum: General
Topic: Your Go to Trick or Routine
Replies: 61
Views: 3163

Re: Your Go to Trick or Routine

jkeyes, i don't think you understand anything about magic or how it works. You clearly don't understand anything about the hoy principle. i wish i could help you. But i know that you are incapable of learning. you are the student whose cup is already full. Perhaps when you get older and mature some...
by jkeyes1000
August 10th, 2017, 8:56 am
Forum: General
Topic: Your Go to Trick or Routine
Replies: 61
Views: 3163

Re: Your Go to Trick or Routine

You can do my “Impromptu Book Test” without the subliminal idea and eliminate a lot of the patter. You could pare it down to a few minutes if you are a fast talker. It breaks down essentially as a free choice of two books. The volunteer is asked to decide which section of the book to focus on if it ...
by jkeyes1000
August 10th, 2017, 5:37 am
Forum: General
Topic: Your Go to Trick or Routine
Replies: 61
Views: 3163

Re: Your Go to Trick or Routine

They fail miserably, but I get it right. This type of denouement is not something that I'm particularly fond of. I do like the "I get it right" part. I actually congratulate them on a good try, after giving them numerous hints. It is obvious however that they never would have got it. It's...
by jkeyes1000
August 9th, 2017, 10:27 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Your Go to Trick or Routine
Replies: 61
Views: 3163

Re: Your Go to Trick or Routine

Unless you did Hoy's "Bold Book Test". (Same effect, a lot less messing around.) Hoy's method is similar up to a point, Bill. The point where the performer lies about which page the volunteer chose. Trying to assure the audience that such chicanery is not going on, you see? Oh, I agree th...
by jkeyes1000
August 9th, 2017, 5:27 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Your Go to Trick or Routine
Replies: 61
Views: 3163

Re: Your Go to Trick or Routine

I will not stultify you with specifics, but without these sort of “sidetracks”, it would be all but impossible to achieve the effect. Unless you did Hoy's "Bold Book Test". (Same effect, a lot less messing around.) Hoy's method is similar up to a point, Bill. The point where the performer...
by jkeyes1000
August 9th, 2017, 4:13 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Your Go to Trick or Routine
Replies: 61
Views: 3163

Re: Your Go to Trick or Routine

OK. I just read the description. I still don't know what the effect is. I was almost following things until the dreaded instructions to jot things down. I got completely lost at that point. And then the awful word "algorithim" did me in completely. As a consolation for you I have no objec...
by jkeyes1000
August 9th, 2017, 3:24 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Your Go to Trick or Routine
Replies: 61
Views: 3163

Re: Your Go to Trick or Routine

... and proceed to ask a volunteer to select ANY BOOK from a bookstore or library. This would seemingly slow down the presentation ... Unless you happen to be performing in a bookstore or a library. Whenever I perform this routine I let the volunteer choose the venue. It is always off the cuff, spo...
by jkeyes1000
August 9th, 2017, 2:14 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Your Go to Trick or Routine
Replies: 61
Views: 3163

Re: Your Go to Trick or Routine

Oh yes, it is a serious challenge to avert boredom when lecturing, Mark! Merely spinning a yarn is not my style. I try to create a false premise that is very credible. An alternate path for the viewer’s mind to take, lest he or she catch on to what I am really up to, and when I am doing it. My “Impr...
by jkeyes1000
August 9th, 2017, 11:45 am
Forum: General
Topic: Your Go to Trick or Routine
Replies: 61
Views: 3163

Re: Your Go to Trick or Routine

I still remember about 40 years ago at a convention a couple of legendary names in magic trying to convince me that some very quick trick which should last 20 seconds at most could be built up into a miracle by chattering away for ever and ever and ever. It was some piddly little thing which would ...
by jkeyes1000
July 11th, 2017, 11:35 am
Forum: Close-Up Magic
Topic: John Keyes' "Last Resort"
Replies: 4
Views: 981

Re: John Keyes' "Last Resort"

Since posting the above routine, I have made a few revisions which have greatly improved the effect. The chief innovation is simply getting the participant to sign (or mark) the back of the card after you get it to the top (by means of the Turnover Pass). Recall that you have a!ready got them to mar...
by jkeyes1000
July 7th, 2017, 11:08 am
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)
Replies: 73
Views: 4631

Re: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)

again, you attempt to tell me what i think instead of asking me. you do that a lot. you say magicians in the past did something and yet have nothing to back it up this is not a matter of taste. this isn't 'i don't like rap so rap isn't music'. this is a matter of address what an art is and what it ...
by jkeyes1000
July 7th, 2017, 7:49 am
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)
Replies: 73
Views: 4631

Re: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)

chris, a better way of putting it is that a painting of a pipe is not a pipe. a film of a magic trick is not a magic trick. it is a film of a magic trick. while we can capture the essence of the magic on film, we are indeed capturing something. the media magician captures nothing but creates the ma...
by jkeyes1000
July 6th, 2017, 7:40 pm
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)
Replies: 73
Views: 4631

Re: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)

Mr. Mullins, I have no intention of wasting my time, researching the history of stage magic for the sake of this meaningless point. As I said, the only relevance to this thread is that magicians have always and will always avail themselves of any and all technologies in order to achieve their effec...
by jkeyes1000
July 5th, 2017, 8:03 pm
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)
Replies: 73
Views: 4631

Re: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)

Mr. Mullins, I have no intention of wasting my time, researching the history of stage magic for the sake of this meaningless point. As I said, the only relevance to this thread is that magicians have always and will always avail themselves of any and all technologies in order to achieve their effect...
by jkeyes1000
July 5th, 2017, 1:43 pm
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)
Replies: 73
Views: 4631

Re: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)

the danger in relying on non industry-art based sources for definitions specific to an industry or art leads to the problem you find yourself in let's look at another source, one you likely found but conveniently ignored. - webster. i suppose this is of equal authority to the two you mentioned. htt...
by jkeyes1000
July 5th, 2017, 12:16 pm
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)
Replies: 73
Views: 4631

Re: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)

When discussing technology, we ought to focus on the principles and the mechanics rather than the artistic mode by which they are employed. says who? you seem to want to force us to accept a definition of magic that no one else in the world agrees to. by defining magic solely by the techniques whic...
by jkeyes1000
July 4th, 2017, 8:17 pm
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)
Replies: 73
Views: 4631

Re: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)

I don’t think you can quote me as having said that magicians invented the “stage magic technology” that they used. You said that movie magic came from the stage magic. From context, I took you to be referring to the techniques used to implement movie special effects. I listed a number of such techn...
by jkeyes1000
July 4th, 2017, 5:19 pm
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)
Replies: 73
Views: 4631

Re: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)

Though both Mr. Henderson and Mr. Mullins are being petty in their scepticism of my contention that the principles employed in motion picture special effects originated much earlier, I'm not being sceptical of that , I'm saying that you were wrong when you said "Much of 'movie magic' came from...
by jkeyes1000
July 4th, 2017, 1:37 pm
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)
Replies: 73
Views: 4631

Re: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)

Though both Mr. Henderson and Mr. Mullins are being petty in their scepticism of my contention that the principles employed in motion picture special effects originated much earlier, I feel I ought to clarify it for the benefit of those that fail to get the gist. I believe (at least in the case of M...
by jkeyes1000
July 3rd, 2017, 4:04 pm
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)
Replies: 73
Views: 4631

Re: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)

then perhaps your definition of magic is too broad to be of use. can you give examples of matte painting used by magicians in live performances? i'm unsure what you mean by this. can you give examples of read screen projection and automata used by magicians in life performance where the audience wa...
by jkeyes1000
July 3rd, 2017, 11:22 am
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)
Replies: 73
Views: 4631

Re: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)

Over the last several years, I have come to learn that magicians are a peculiar lot. Not so long ago, a video appeared on the internet showing a magician performing coin sleights that seemed impossible, even to magicians, some of whom questioned the performance as being camera trickery. Just for ki...
by jkeyes1000
July 3rd, 2017, 9:19 am
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)
Replies: 73
Views: 4631

Re: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)

Don't think so. When Georges Méliès created the first movie special effects, he was specifically doing things with film that he could not do as a magician. And that has been the trend ever since. Rear projection, stop motion animation, matte photography, miniatures and models, animatronics, makeup ...
by jkeyes1000
July 3rd, 2017, 7:19 am
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)
Replies: 73
Views: 4631

Re: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)

Much of "movie magic" came from stage magic technology, and much of it is essentially still related. Don't think so. When Georges Méliès created the first movie special effects, he was specifically doing things with film that he could not do as a magician. And that has been the trend ever...
by jkeyes1000
July 2nd, 2017, 9:21 pm
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)
Replies: 73
Views: 4631

Re: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)

No, my friend. In order to define Magic to the exclusion of camera tricks, one would need to forbid the use of other kinds of visual deception. no. you wouldn't. why would you even think you would have to? In short, you would have to restrict the future development of the craft, and prohibit the us...
by jkeyes1000
July 2nd, 2017, 6:54 pm
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)
Replies: 73
Views: 4631

Re: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)

you underestimate the ability of some to define. music has a clear definition that eliminates the subjectivity of taste. a con man uses deception and illusion and is not magic, nor would anyone confuse it for such. the use of illusion is not the defining element of magial there are ways to define t...
by jkeyes1000
July 2nd, 2017, 5:58 pm
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)
Replies: 73
Views: 4631

Re: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)

this seems true to you only because you have a sloppy definition of what constitutes magic. a careful definition can preclude and or address the use of camera tricks. and i disagree that being open about methods makes it easier to deduce. look at derren brown - he managed to fool even self proclaim...
by jkeyes1000
July 2nd, 2017, 9:46 am
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)
Replies: 73
Views: 4631

Re: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)

No matter how we may despise camera tricks, none of us is ever going to successfully define the art of magic in a way that disqualifies them. why not? it's a perfectly simple task and one that has already been done (and if not disqualifying them, at least taking them in account for what they are an...
by jkeyes1000
July 1st, 2017, 8:09 pm
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)
Replies: 73
Views: 4631

Re: Will Tsai - Youtube Responds on ethics of VFX ;-)

No matter how we may despise camera tricks, none of us is ever going to successfully define the art of magic in a way that disqualifies them. It is the art of deception. It is theatre. Magic in general must necessarily include all illusionists. However, we can relegate them to their appropriate genr...
by jkeyes1000
June 3rd, 2017, 6:20 pm
Forum: Buzz
Topic: How to pronounce _____ ?
Replies: 49
Views: 5300

Re: How to pronounce _____ ?

I trust that when we speak of a "fake pronunciation" of a French word, we mean that the speaker (not being French) is pretentious. Otherwise I cannot understand the concept.
by jkeyes1000
June 3rd, 2017, 5:28 pm
Forum: Buzz
Topic: How to pronounce _____ ?
Replies: 49
Views: 5300

Re: How to pronounce _____ ?

Or eh-kee-vok.
by jkeyes1000
June 3rd, 2017, 2:56 pm
Forum: Buzz
Topic: How to pronounce _____ ?
Replies: 49
Views: 5300

Re: How to pronounce _____ ?

Always being the philosophical sort, I would ask, What do we mean by “how to pronounce?” In regard to proper names, it is only a matter of respect for how an individual utters it himself. Whereas he may have corrupted it from its original form. To whom do we defer the authority--to persons who prefe...
by jkeyes1000
May 9th, 2017, 12:37 pm
Forum: Buzz
Topic: RIP: Paul Diamond
Replies: 38
Views: 3275

Re: RIP: Paul Diamond

No disrespect to Paul Diamond (whom I never met), but yes, this thread could easily be rewoven into a dental dam encomium. Having just now read up on it, I find its history fascinating. There is even a PDF explaining the science of it in great detail online. I don't know if my memory is playing tric...
by jkeyes1000
May 9th, 2017, 11:43 am
Forum: Buzz
Topic: RIP: Paul Diamond
Replies: 38
Views: 3275

Re: RIP: Paul Diamond

I agree that the "Gozinta" or whatever it was called trick is visually impressive, but I will never forget Clarke Crandall's hilariously cynical references to it in TOPS magazine in the early 1960s. He considered it essentially a rip-off, just a piece of "dental mastic" and a set...
by jkeyes1000
May 6th, 2017, 12:38 pm
Forum: Close-Up Magic
Topic: John Keyes' "Last Resort"
Replies: 4
Views: 981

Re: John Keyes' "Last Resort"

Thanks Alfred! And Mark, I welcome and fully expect criticism. I myself never stop finding fault, improving routines wherever I can. For instance, I would rather dispense with the little finger break. It always seemed awkward to me. I find it’s much better to extend the little finger, keeping it in ...
by jkeyes1000
May 4th, 2017, 12:50 pm
Forum: Close-Up Magic
Topic: John Keyes' "Last Resort"
Replies: 4
Views: 981

John Keyes' "Last Resort"

Recent discussions in this forum about The Pass and other matters inspired me to come up with an uncharacteristically simple card routine which I think novel enough to submit for approval. Mind you, it’s virtually impossible to be both simple and novel. This is a sort of compromise for me, a refrain...
by jkeyes1000
May 1st, 2017, 9:37 pm
Forum: Close-Up Magic
Topic: Carlyle's Law
Replies: 21
Views: 2384

Re: Carlyle's Law

I don’t especially like lengthy routines, but in some cases, it is necessary to execute a good number of manoeuvers in order to achieve the effect, and to justify them in the minds of the spectators. I mean, the simpler the move, the more one ought to embellish it in order to thoroughly deceive anyo...
by jkeyes1000
April 18th, 2017, 3:11 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Royal road to card magic
Replies: 51
Views: 5605

Re: Royal road to card magic

I have started work on the book. Once the first chapter is done I will announce it. Then you will know that I am serious. I haven't bought a magic book in years Mark. But this is one I must include in my collection. The reaffirmation of the value of Royal Road and your experience with it will be we...
by jkeyes1000
April 18th, 2017, 11:06 am
Forum: General
Topic: Royal road to card magic
Replies: 51
Views: 5605

Re: Royal road to card magic

I have started work on the book. Once the first chapter is done I will announce it. Then you will know that I am serious. I haven't bought a magic book in years Mark. But this is one I must include in my collection. The reaffirmation of the value of Royal Road and your experience with it will be we...

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