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by Brad Henderson
December 12th, 2017, 4:48 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

Richard Kaufman wrote:Don't you guys get tired of arguing the same points over and over again?


i look forward to the day keyes actually makes a point.
by Brad Henderson
December 12th, 2017, 3:43 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

"How does the audience know they have been 'faked out' unless the performer is incompetent and gets caught ?" Brad, I am going to answer your question in a slightly different way this time. I will concede that more often than not, audiences will GIVE YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT that you ...
by Brad Henderson
December 12th, 2017, 2:25 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

I don't know much about Hoy's Book Test but I gather it is something to do with miscalling the page number of a book. I don't really see much of a problem with that somehow. I do concede that I don't know that much about the trick to make a judgement on it though. All I can say after attempting to ...
by Brad Henderson
December 12th, 2017, 2:23 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

i did. but i didn't want to miss an opportunity to make the point. I suppose it would be awfully uncivil of me to say that your "point" about pleasing your audience with Hoy's Book Test is no more valid or conclusive than any of my "groundless" observations. Just want to make su...
by Brad Henderson
December 12th, 2017, 8:52 am
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

i did.

but i didn't want to miss an opportunity
to make the point.
by Brad Henderson
December 11th, 2017, 11:13 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

The accent was an important part of Slydini's presentation, I would suggest. What might come across as confrontational (and did so to some anyway, it seems) was defused by the spectator making allowance for the performer's imperfect command of the language. "You watch , but you no see !" ...
by Brad Henderson
December 11th, 2017, 11:09 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

this sunday i approached a literate table of folks at the restaurant in which i perform. Each of the two children were reading books. Given our recent discussion i performed the Hoy book test. They were convinced i could read minds. and no one, at no time, ever even mentioned the page number as imp...
by Brad Henderson
December 11th, 2017, 2:32 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

this sunday i approached a literate table of folks at the restaurant in which i perform. Each of the two children were reading books. Given our recent discussion i performed the Hoy book test. They were convinced i could read minds. and no one, at no time, ever even mentioned the page number as impo...
by Brad Henderson
December 11th, 2017, 2:27 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

the books are clear and they do teach that one must adapt to their own personal styles. But his method of teaching requires the students to copy exactly. I spent a great deal of time with cellini a few years back and in fact he was one of those who educated me on that point though others have said t...
by Brad Henderson
December 11th, 2017, 12:36 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

Maybe this "lie" dialog is about keeping the audience side of silent script (what they think is happening) internal rather than narrated? ...Slydini didn't advocate that people should emulate him... Maybe after they learned to do exactly as shown in the lesson. exactly. it was my understa...
by Brad Henderson
December 11th, 2017, 12:32 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

It may be that the most important and effective "lies" of a magician are the ones he tells to himself. We must convince ourselves that the empty hand is holding the coin, come as close as possible to believing it with the utmost conviction, and convey that belief and conviction to the spe...
by Brad Henderson
December 11th, 2017, 12:17 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

"And the only way they will be suspicious of a lie is if you don't know how to lie convincingly". This from a man who has explicitly stated that audiences know that magicians lie! You don't think COMMON KNOWLEDGE leads to suspicion? no. when you go to a haunted house are you 'suspicious' ...
by Brad Henderson
December 10th, 2017, 8:10 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

mark. slydini has influence us all, but his approach to magic is inherently challenging and the fact that so few people can pull that off is proof enough that he is a bad example to emulate. the best students of slydini look and act nothing like him. Those who never grew past the stage of mimicry ca...
by Brad Henderson
December 10th, 2017, 8:04 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

keyes. you might want to watch the video again. the lie i refer to is simple and clear. it is exactly the lie you condemn. and simply finding one magician who doesn't lie in one trick proves nothing. magicians have lied for centuries and NO ONE CARES. it's not that they don't suspect the magician is...
by Brad Henderson
December 10th, 2017, 3:04 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

i can choose to not li, but that doesn't assure the audience i am not lying. a lie well told is invisible. how can the audience ever be assured you aren't using invisible things unless you announce it to them - and why would they believe you if you did? the problem is that you don't know how to lie ...
by Brad Henderson
December 10th, 2017, 11:05 am
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

I hsve established a method for the audience to know you are NOT LYING. I calI it "NOT LYING". All you have to do is avoid making direct statements that are untrue. and how will they know those direct statements are true or not true unless you are incompetent? how can you not see this? Yo...
by Brad Henderson
December 10th, 2017, 1:59 am
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

It is quite clear that you don't appreciate the analytical approach to this subject Brad. Your understanding of the psychology of the audience is limited to the assumption that they just want to have a good time and don't really mind being lied to if it provides them a momentary diversion. but you'...
by Brad Henderson
December 9th, 2017, 6:10 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

You repeatedly suggest there is only one way for an audience to know you are lying. An incompetent performance. I have responded every time by saying they don't need to KNOW. That the mere suspicion is sufficient to dull the effect. as erdnase said re: palming, the audience 'must not suspect, let a...
by Brad Henderson
December 9th, 2017, 3:43 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

again, how can it hurt the repute of magic if they don't know you are lying. you can only be known to be lying if you get caught, and getting caught is what damages the repute - not the particular method employed at that time and i can prove it people have been catching magicians for centuries and m...
by Brad Henderson
December 9th, 2017, 2:40 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

we expect magicians to exploit sleights judiciously, and misdirection judicially, and gaffs judiciously - why is lying as a technique to be treated differently? and why do you assume lies mask weaknesses? can they not also be used to reinforce strengths or even be employed as part of the creation of...
by Brad Henderson
December 9th, 2017, 12:20 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

You say that the risk of getting caught in a verbal lie is "no greater" than tipping your hand. But my point is that it is an unnecessary risk. I think my WHY has a more solid foundation than your WHY NOT. and palming a card is unnecessary if you can use a duplicate. but sometimes using a...
by Brad Henderson
December 8th, 2017, 9:45 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

Ideally we ought to arrive at full comprehension by recognising the merits in each other's argument.. I tried - and in yours i found none. i say that not to be cruel, but honest. Your position is groundless and you haven't offered anything to place it upon any sort of viable foundation. I do always...
by Brad Henderson
December 8th, 2017, 9:37 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

I think Brad has a point. It is a tool that must be used correctly. Exactly. it is just one of the magician's many tools to say we shouldn't lie because there is a risk that one could get caught is no different from saying we shouldn't palm cards because there is a risk that one could get caught - ...
by Brad Henderson
December 8th, 2017, 8:27 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

Yeah...when somebody considers themselves a Master Debater, there's a good chance they are using one too many syllables. I am by no means a "show off" I work only as hard as I need to. You can blame Brad for the redundancy and the duration of this discussion. I would have been content wit...
by Brad Henderson
December 8th, 2017, 1:27 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

by providing an example that makes you appear incompetant and inexperienced?

wow keyes

you got me.
by Brad Henderson
December 8th, 2017, 11:05 am
Forum: General
Topic: The Jerx Year Three
Replies: 32
Views: 2341

Re: The Jerx Year Three

well, tommy could speak both dutch and english well too. So let's at least give him credit as being the kids' equal
by Brad Henderson
December 8th, 2017, 10:33 am
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

is it? jokes are funny. or is this more self pleasuring. i think we have a name for your act 'The Great Onan - he's honestly confusing.' No, of course the suckers wouldn't find it funny. The ones who merely thougjt it was less than impressive. I must admit I like the kind of humour that starts with...
by Brad Henderson
December 8th, 2017, 2:39 am
Forum: Mentalism & Mental Magic
Topic: The Works
Replies: 143
Views: 27049

Re: The Works

Just got my "edition" of Psience this evening.
by Brad Henderson
December 7th, 2017, 10:30 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

is it?

jokes are funny.

or is this more self pleasuring.

i think we have a name for your act

'The Great Onan - he's honestly confusing.'
by Brad Henderson
December 7th, 2017, 10:14 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

that's better.

but you have to have different messages in envelopes else you have a non effect
by Brad Henderson
December 7th, 2017, 7:34 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

for whom?

and how would the envelopes containing different cards be magical if you decide who looks under their seat?
by Brad Henderson
December 7th, 2017, 7:33 pm
Forum: General
Topic: The Jerx Year Three
Replies: 32
Views: 2341

Re: The Jerx Year Three

yeah, wonder clearly addresses the issue andy claims is the weakness of direction as one of the weaknesses of misdirection. As tom said, he has completely misrepresented wonder's position. i wonder (no pun intended) if he is basing his thoughts on having actually read tommy's work or someone else's ...
by Brad Henderson
December 7th, 2017, 7:27 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

what was the gag ?
by Brad Henderson
December 7th, 2017, 6:37 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

well, that's better. but how does it make the effect stronger? how does it make the effect clearer? how does it make the effect more interesting or relevant? what's the advantage of having a prediction hidden in the first place? how does that serve the claim of the phenomena allegedly being presented?
by Brad Henderson
December 7th, 2017, 6:15 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

is it absurd?
is it a climax?
is it comedy?

perhaps you should focus less on your own pleasure and more on the audiences.

i'm sure they'd like to climax every now and then

stop being so selfish.
by Brad Henderson
December 7th, 2017, 5:30 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

but still, why in your imaginary trick did you add the envelopes and the anti-non climax of showing them empty?

it suggests you don't understand what the effect is and how to present it clearly
by Brad Henderson
December 7th, 2017, 5:27 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

except according to your script you show it to them.

do you not?

if you are trying to make a comparison to the hoy test you are making the same flaw again - the hoy test isn't a page number trick. you know that, right????
by Brad Henderson
December 7th, 2017, 4:46 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

you have the potential for an effect. but it is confused or at least i am. what is added by having envelopes under anyone else's chair? what is in those wncelopes? if other predicted cards you have a non effect as you picked the lady to stand. you just picked the person who was in the seat you neede...
by Brad Henderson
December 7th, 2017, 12:28 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

you seem to assume that all details are equal. if this were a page number trick you would be correct. but it isn't. it's a mind reading trick. and the idea that the page number is a 'mere assertion' is innacurate. you leave out the physical choreography and the structure of the process. you fail to ...
by Brad Henderson
December 7th, 2017, 12:05 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Ennobling Magic
Replies: 451
Views: 11009

Re: Ennobling Magic

I think it is quite obvious when a performer says something and fails to demonstrate it. If your contention is correct, that audiences know you tend to lie, such a condition would be highly suspect, would it not? people know that magicians use sleight of hand but that doesn't prevent them from doin...

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