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by Bill Mullins
October 21st, 2017, 7:27 pm
Forum: Close-Up Magic
Topic: Charlie Miller's published works...
Replies: 21
Views: 548

Re: Charlie Miller's published works...

He is listed as an author of Larry Jennings on Card and Coin Handling , along with Nina Jennings, Jeff Busby and Jules Lenier (published and edited by Busby, 1977). (reprint of chop cup routine from Genii , 1965) Also: "Ball and Hat Routine" Tops Jul 1941 "Spinning Card", "S...
by Bill Mullins
October 21st, 2017, 5:31 pm
Forum: Buzz
Topic: The November Issue of Genii is Now Live Online with David Blaine!
Replies: 8
Views: 672

Re: The November Issue of Genii is Now Live Online with David Blaine!

The Erdnase thread will never die. But that is a good line.
by Bill Mullins
October 21st, 2017, 2:38 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

Erdnase didn't have a comprehensive plan to completely conceal his identity, otherwise the book would have said "Anonymous" on the spine. I don't agree. Writing "Anonymous" would have invited much more inquiry much earlier. It is psychologically much better to write a name which...
by Bill Mullins
October 20th, 2017, 6:10 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

Having [a copyright] registered is a much better deterrent than just printing it. That way it is much harder for wannabe infringers to call your bluff. I don't see how. Are you saying that a copyright statement in the book would not be a deterrent, so a potential infringer would think "Hm. I w...
by Bill Mullins
October 20th, 2017, 5:58 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

The copyright fee was paid with a money order. If he wanted to remain anonymous, it would have made more sense to pay Smith with a money order as well. Who says Erdnase/Gallaway paid the copyright registration directly by himself? Now that we know that McKinney and Gallaway were business partners i...
by Bill Mullins
October 20th, 2017, 3:48 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

The connection to Harto and Houdini aren't that clear either. But both were circus folks like Gallaway. The connection to Houdini certainly isn't clear, and in fact doesn't seem possible. You put Gallaway in the circus in 1891-1894 (with 1892/93 being "most likely"), and again in 1896. Ho...
by Bill Mullins
October 20th, 2017, 3:41 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

Tom Sawyer writes in his blog regarding the "3rd cousin once removed" issue: It would be nice if, before the fact, someone had said, “I will accept any relative within such-and-such boundaries." ... If you set forth the criteria in advance, at least you can be certain that you are no...
by Bill Mullins
October 20th, 2017, 3:32 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

Copyright bought him nothing. It is a deterrent. Many copyrights are registered. Very few copyright holders ever sue. But it keeps the pest away. Clearly copyright was somehow important to him because he added copyright notes to many illustrations. The most logical reason I can come up with is as a...
by Bill Mullins
October 20th, 2017, 2:52 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

Chris -- your own book suggests that Erdnase was known to Edwin Hood, Harto, Houdini, S. W. Jamieson, McKinney, and Smith. Hardly a guy who was trying to stay sub rosa.

lybrary wrote: It is from the intro of his second book "How to Price Job Printing Properly" page 5.


Thanks.
by Bill Mullins
October 20th, 2017, 2:30 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

Upon completion of Smiths work, Erdnase gave Smith a cheque (possibly personalized) which Smith would then have had to go deposit, at which time there would be yet another pointer directly to Erdnase's actual name. If, by "personalized", you mean that his name was machine-printed on the c...
by Bill Mullins
October 20th, 2017, 2:09 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

But these are based on the assumption that Erdnase wanted to keep his identity a secret. The arguments for that position are weak. Why are they weak? I don't agree at all. Erdnase told Smith he was a cardshark who was going straight. That means Erdnase must have had some other means of income. He m...
by Bill Mullins
October 20th, 2017, 11:25 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

I also agree with Tom that the case for E.S. Andrews is a thin one. The "name" argument strikes me as also weak. A man of Erdnase's intelligence knew that readers would spell out the name backwards. It's the first thing anyone would do. If Sanders was Erdnase, he wasn't going to tell Smit...
by Bill Mullins
October 20th, 2017, 10:34 am
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Hofzinser Seminar in Madrid on November 18th
Replies: 19
Views: 765

Re: Hofzinser Seminar in Madrid on November 18th

Dear friend Bill: The correct translation is THE ARTISTIC STRUCTURES OF HOFZINSER'S PRESENTATIONS. Thank you for the correct translation. I was trying to play a small joke at Richard's expense. I don't think he would really lecture at a Hofzinser seminar on the twenty-one card trick! I am sure he w...
by Bill Mullins
October 20th, 2017, 2:04 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

Tom Sawyer showed up in the thread a few posts back (Hi Tom!).

He's blogging again, as well -- check the link in the signature of his post. And follow on through to his ebay page where he's listing his new book.
by Bill Mullins
October 19th, 2017, 3:00 pm
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Hofzinser Seminar in Madrid on November 18th
Replies: 19
Views: 765

Re: Hofzinser Seminar in Madrid on November 18th

I don't speak Spanish, so I had to Google Translate the title of your talk:

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by Bill Mullins
October 19th, 2017, 9:29 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

Comparing a poem to prose makes no sense. Erdnase didn't write his book in verse. Two completely different genres. The remarkable thing with Erdnase is that he wrote a highly technical book very eloquently. Show me a technical article by Sanders that displays that kind of eloquence. Gallway's books...
by Bill Mullins
October 19th, 2017, 9:20 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

If you’ve found an authority who specifically claims that the minute differences shown in that illustration (or between other letters) were intended by Gutenberg, or have typographical significance (other than as evidence of how the letters were manufactured), I’d be very interested in reading his/...
by Bill Mullins
October 19th, 2017, 1:39 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

W.E. Sanders: On the surface he does have education and writing experience. But his writing is bland, plain, engineering like. Has never self-published nor written an entire book himself. Only engineering articles and contributions to books. Nowhere the eloquence of Erdnase. Sanders was class poet ...
by Bill Mullins
October 18th, 2017, 5:02 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

When Gutenberg invented metal movable type his intention was to mimic as closely as possible the beautiful handwritten bibles. … to do that he created characters of different width. For example, he had several different 'm' each just a bit narrower than the one before. So when a line was just a bit...
by Bill Mullins
October 18th, 2017, 12:24 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

If Smith's memory is so bad, you shouldn't take advantage of his recollections when they tend to comport with Gallaway. I don't. Bull [censored]. You spend a whole chapter (4. Physical Appearance) in your ebook going through Smith's recollections and trying to show that Gallaway matches them. (BTW,...
by Bill Mullins
October 18th, 2017, 9:04 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

If Smith's memory is so bad, you shouldn't take advantage of his recollections when they tend to comport with Gallaway.
by Bill Mullins
October 17th, 2017, 5:26 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

Chris, you are big on deferring to "experts". David Murray Schneider's field of expertise was the study of kinship. In his book American Kinship: A Cultural Account, he said ""Relative" is used to include both relatives by blood and by marriage . . ."
by Bill Mullins
October 17th, 2017, 4:23 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

Smith remembered that Erdnase said he was related to Louis Dalrymple. Even if your tree is correct, E.S. Andrews was not related to Louis Dalrymple, his wife was. So Erdnase would have said "my wife is related to Dalrymple", which is not what Smith remembered. Richard Hatch's own standard...
by Bill Mullins
October 17th, 2017, 2:03 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

To elaborate: For the most part, searching for Adelia's parents had not, to date, proven successful. Richard has mentioned several times over the years here in this thread that she had a sister, and the family was likely from Niagara County. The only direct evidence I knew of was the 1860 census tha...
by Bill Mullins
October 17th, 2017, 9:22 am
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Hofzinser Seminar in Madrid on November 18th
Replies: 19
Views: 765

Re: Hofzinser Seminar in Madrid on November 18th

That's the first time I've ever seen the word "Hofzinsian" used.

Richard, will you be doing effects from the book you translated?
by Bill Mullins
October 17th, 2017, 12:53 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

I certainly appreciate Roger's enthusiasm. However, I don't want to make more of these discoveries than they are. Edwin S. Andrews remains a circumstantial candidate only. If there's one thing we know about Erdnase, it was that he knew sleight of hand with cards. And we don't have that piece of the ...
by Bill Mullins
October 16th, 2017, 5:52 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

I think it is very probable that the two branches of the family knew each other. This corner of Illinois had many settlers who originated from northern New York. Dolly's branch (Seely) showed up in 1836. Adelia's (Seeley) came only ~15 years later, possibly because their cousins had paved the way. O...
by Bill Mullins
October 15th, 2017, 6:15 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

Edwin S. Andrews was related (by marriage) to Louis Dalrymple.

Credit to Richard Hatch for much of this research.
by Bill Mullins
October 15th, 2017, 6:11 pm
Forum: Close-Up Magic
Topic: What is the story behind this printing of SOM?
Replies: 19
Views: 847

Re: What is the story behind this printing of SOM?

No, it was because the original cover had a photo of the magicians in which they were wearing white blood-stained butcher coats, and were sitting at a table with doll parts and raw meat scattered about.
by Bill Mullins
October 13th, 2017, 11:12 pm
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Paul Gertner's Account of "Fool Us"
Replies: 15
Views: 1908

Re: Paul Gertner's Account of "Fool Us"

Another faro tip:
The big Alex Elmsley book by Stephen Minch has Alex's method for preparing a deck, by rounding the end of each card with sandpaper or an emery board. It's on pp 295-297 of Vol 2.
by Bill Mullins
October 12th, 2017, 2:17 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

Edwin S. Andrews's wife Dollie was a card player: "Mr. and Mrs. Sol Seeley gave a reception on Saturday evening to their daughter Miss Dollie and her friend, Miss Elsie, of Chicago. The evening was spent in dancing and card playing, singing and playing on musical instruments. Some forty guests ...
by Bill Mullins
October 11th, 2017, 5:56 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

Has this film been mentioned here before? I don't think so . . .

http://www.erdnase-film.com/
by Bill Mullins
October 10th, 2017, 5:07 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

My own standard of proof (and I use that word loosely) is that, short of a smoking gun (like a signed contract, or a reliable contemporaneous statement that so-and-so wrote Expert ) a candidate should be shown to have skill with cards, and a reason to use the pseudonym "S. W. Erdnase". Th...
by Bill Mullins
October 10th, 2017, 9:40 am
Forum: Collector's Marketplace
Topic: Looking for Computer Cards deck by Paul Swinford
Replies: 7
Views: 518

Re: Looking for Computer Cards deck by Paul Swinford

Joe Mckay wrote: I have the booklets explaining the trick but do not have the prop.


Do you have just the instructions, or also Swinford's 1986 book Cyberdeck?
by Bill Mullins
October 8th, 2017, 12:59 pm
Forum: General
Topic: The Beginning of the Sentence
Replies: 14
Views: 756

Re: The Beginning of the Sentence

Magnetic Scottie dogs.
by Bill Mullins
October 8th, 2017, 10:44 am
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Ray Goulet
Replies: 1
Views: 399

Ray Goulet

Phil Schwartz has posted on the Thayer Forum that Ray Goulet died yesterday morning.
by Bill Mullins
October 6th, 2017, 1:11 am
Forum: General
Topic: Genii Convention
Replies: 37
Views: 3111

Genii Convention

So how's it going (for those of us who aren't in Orlando?)
Lecture/show highlights?
Best thing seen in the lobby?
Best new trick in the dealer's room?
by Bill Mullins
October 5th, 2017, 12:36 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

The other real problem with E.S. Andrews, husband of Dollie Seely, is that any relationship to Dalrymple would be via two in-law connections. It is not his bloodline who would be related, but his wife's. And his wife would not be related to a Dalrymple but to a Seeley, an in-law of Dalrymple. Seele...
by Bill Mullins
October 5th, 2017, 12:15 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

"Related by marriage" is a thing. When some tells me that they are related, and it turns out they are speaking of their in-laws, it doesn't seem strange in the least. You also say that when it is your 3rd cousin in-law with two in-law connections? You might then as well say I am related t...
by Bill Mullins
October 4th, 2017, 9:18 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 5005
Views: 1827590

Re: ERDNASE

"Related by marriage" is a thing. When some tells me that they are related, and it turns out they are speaking of their in-laws, it doesn't seem strange in the least.

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